After the Deluge

BON IVER: A Conversation with Chris Messina (22, a Million and I,i) May 31, 2025

Chris Messina co-produced the Bon Iver records 22, a Million and I,i, among dozens more by other artists. This is a bonus of sorts before we finish up at SABLE, fABLE.

Chris and I casually talk about records made on unconventional instruments, exaggerated narratives around 22, a Million, turning April Base into a proper studio, living in Eau Claire for nine years, using gear incorrectly, adapting these kinds of songs live, big-ass headphones, finishing a record in Texas, a quick pop-punk diversion, and more.

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BON IVER: I, i w/ Avery Adams and Kevin W. Smith May 27, 2025

Avery Adams is a producer, musician, and chef, and Kevin W. Smith is a writer and radio host. We talk about Bon Iver’s fourth album, I,i (Jagjaguar), released on August 9, 2019, an 8.8 Best New Music on Pitchfork. Also: Music writing circa 2007, For Emma vinyl sales, Vernon's non-falsetto register, Naeem drums, sliding on cardboard, no click, Texas, Hornsby, Beck, this album's got moments, “Hey, Ma,” bass lines, an Aaron Rogers/Justin Vernon interview circa 2019, The Bee Gees, where this album stands against the discography, Radiohead, Animal Collective, Of Montreal, and indulging creative impulses.

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BON IVER: 22, a Million w/ Ian Grant (Jokermen) May 06, 2025

Ian Grant is the host of the Jokermen podcast. We discuss Bon Iver's 2016 record 22, a Million (Jagjaguar). After dipping into the 9.0 Pitchfork review, we talk about a For Emma sunrise show at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, having his mind blown by this record in impact (and me ignoring it) in 2016, that year's prez election, the OP-1 synth, “It might be over soon,” Kanye briefly, Stevie Nicks singing “Wild Heart," listening Radiohead and Bon Iver while flying, “Staying at the Ace Hotel,” don’t trust Spot*fy lyrics, “the days have no numbers,” saying these song titles out loud, Taylor in C0vid, and Jokermen's Beach Boys journey.

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BON IVER: Bon Iver w/ Mark Richardson Apr 21, 2025

Mark Richardson is former Editor in Chief at Pitchfork and current Rock and Pop Critic at the Wall Street Journal. We talk about the 2011 album Bon Iver, Bon Iver, for which Mark wrote the Pitchfork review (9.5). We talk about the anticipation around this record, fusing adult-contemporary and the avant-garde, Animal Collective, Bonnie Raitt, 80s R&B, sincerity vs. irony, is this “sad” music?, a careful use of arrangement and dynamics, Heath Ledger, Shakespearian verse, “Holocene,” the albums’ sequencing, the midwestern-ness of it all, Kanye West, commas in the album titles, Rubber Soul/Revolver, we bow down to “Beth/Rest,” a bit of SABLE, fABLE, and Mark tells a story about how this record could have gotten a 10.

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BON IVER: For Emma, Forever Ago, w/ Chris DeVille Apr 10, 2025

Chris DeVille is Managing Editor at Stereogum and author of the book Such Great Heights, available for preorder now. We talk about the 2007 Bon Iver debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago. Also going cabin-mode in the Wisconsin winter, this album's lore, the indie landscape in '08, Pitchfork kingmaking, The OC, Garden State, Popt*mism, gentrifying indie music, hearing "Skinny Love" at my bad recession-era office job, "Flume" as a thesis, stacking falsetto harmonies, the lyrics, staring out windows at crows, Sable, bass-fishing boats, "Re: Stacks" and final tracks, cooking with minimal ingredients, Blood Bank EP, the pursuit of hipness and the evolution of indie rock. Order Chris's book.

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BON IVER: Season 4 Trailer Apr 03, 2025

Season 4 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Bon Iver discography with a new guest on each episode, starting in the cabin with For Emma, Forever Ago and going in all kinds of directions from there. Subscribe an tell a friend.

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Michele Catalano, of I Have That on Vinyl Feb 16, 2025

Michele Catalano has posted prolifically about music on the internet for years. She’s 62 years old and recently launched ihavethatonvinyl.com. We talk seeking out new music as we age, classic rock, new wave, 2015 was a bad music year for her, she bought her new website’s domain in 2004 and forgot she had it, writing about her record collection, Songs for the Deaf, Brand New, Covid collecting, any regretful purges of records?, we’re bullish on CDs, Aztec Camera, her favorite Beatles album, a diabolical record-organizing system, Kevin Devine, the best music years of our lives, The Doors, is Eric Clapton about to have a moment?, Yacht Rock, the Weezer discography, deactivating her Twitter, humans sharing music with humans, and what she has in store for the site: ihavethatonvinyl.com/

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Longmont Potion Castle Jan 14, 2025

Longmont Potion Castle is a beloved recording artist and anonymous prank caller from Colorado. Interview starts at 11 mins. We talk about touring-band soundtracks, flipwild, deep and uncontrollable laughter, bruschotti, piglets, “After the Deluge” by Sodom, his daily conversation style, the Longmont documentary, whether his calls are mean-spirited, squid sandwiches, Otis, he’s not a comedian, a complete Darwinian society, his funky relationship with language, a feral bodybuilder, looping effects, his childhood court-ordered therapy, calling celebrities like Alex Tr*beck, LPC III, music industry evolution/devolution, Spot*fy, what are nü metal DJs doing when they scratch those records?, monetizing weird stuff, new Longmont incoming, we call my friend Matthew, Squid on my Side, Yucatan Suckerman, and the hottest new fusion band out of Colorado.

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Dylan Tupper Rupert, on Groupies Nov 29, 2024

Dylan Tupper Rupert is the host of the podcast series, Groupies. It's the latest season of KCRW's Lost Notes. She's also Producer Emeritus for Bandsplain. We talk about birth control, the dawn of punk, a scandalous take on Cosmo in 1971, making a show about sexual relationships between rock stars and teens, that Cormac McCarthy Vanity Fair story, the vampiric energy of Jimmy Page, Pamela Des Barres, Dee Dee Keel, empowerment vs. exploitation, the mid-2000s Seattle scene, The Vera Project, The Lashes, her feelings about LA, Blood Brothers, throwing a music fest on Orcas Island, and the Jackson Browne For Everyman house. Groupies is live now on your podcast app.

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Jason Stewart of How Long Gone Nov 03, 2024

Jason Stewart is co-host of the podcast How Long Gone. We talk about foreplay in interviewing, lightweight counter-programming when everything's political, Ep. 50 with Willy Staley, listening to podcasts is Gen Z meditation, early Adam Carolla, The Mount Rushmore of Glendale Podcasters, not asking bands about their music, How Long Gone’s marketing strategy, the Snail Mail episode, Guns & Roses bassist Duff McKagan spiked his interview, comedians who talk like your high school friends, the current state of Twitter, Jason’s favorite nut, and roasting a chicken atop a bed of thick sourdough slices. (The episode descriptions for the show are a direct rip off of How Long Gone).

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Patrick Lyons on Jackson Browne's "These Days" and "The Pretender" Sep 20, 2024

Today it's a short one about a couple of quintessential Jackson Browne songs. My guest is Patrick Lyons and the impetus for this episode is these two recent articles about the songs "These Days" and "The Pretender." Patrick wrote the latter, and both articles are great.

The Song That Connects Jackson Browne, Nico and Margot Tenenbaum, by Bob Mehr (NYT)

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BRIGHT EYES: Five Dice, All Threes w/ Justin Corwin Sep 12, 2024

This is a conversation about the 2024 Bright Eyes record Five Dice, All Threes. My guest is Justin Corwin and we discuss The National, Elon Musk in virgin whites, Cat Power, the Alex Orange Drink discourse, Bright Eyes and friendship, Mogis/Nate Walcott, Down in the Weeds, movie-dialogue motif, actually Scorsese is good and Frank Sinatra sucks, Phoebe Bridgers, Real Feel 105, Stevie Nicks singing “Silver Springs,” Conor Oberst live-show discourse, “Tin Soldier Boy” makes me want to run through a wall (positive), The Fader reporter showing Conor negative Reddit threads lol, a very titillating question about 311, and we predict the Pitchfork score.

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BRIGHT EYES: Alex Orange Drink, on Living as if You're Dying Sep 10, 2024

Alex plays in The So So Glos and was a formative influence on the new Bright Eyes record, Five Dice, All Threes — out Sept 20th. We talk about Waxahatchee, islands in the PNW, why his body can’t break down protein, his cancer diagnosis, living as if you’re dying, crashing at Conor Oberst's house in LA, casually writing new Bright Eyes songs, a stripped-down record, phone calls between Alex and Conor during treatment, The So So Glos reunion, what the album title means, his tricked-out In-N-Out order, The Eras Tour, Alex weighs in on 311, “I’m not slowing down, I’m speeding up,” Mike Mogis + Nate Walcott, the case for ignoring your problems, and he gives a glimpse at the intro track on Five Dice, All Threes...

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Pieter Pastoor, a Pal and Influence on this Pod Aug 12, 2024

Pieter Pastoor is the host of Listening Lyrics, a weekly radio show on KDRTfm in Davis, CA. Pieter is 79 years old and he puts out a radio show every week. The first podcast-adjacent thing I ever did was go on his show a decade ago. Fun one for me.

We talk about his failed attempt to interview poets in the “late 1900s,” open mic nights, recording live and not overthinking it, interviewing locals > interviewing pros, KDRT, Rita Hosking, don’t be lame just make stuff, biking across Holland, Jackson Browne (ding ding), The Lovin’ Spoonful, Bright Eyes’ “We are Nowhere and it’s Now,” Paul Simon’s “Graceland,” Pieter reads a poem, Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan’s “Tempest,” Herb Alpert, The Avett Brothers, and: what was the best five-year stretch of your life?

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Daniel Ralston on The True Story of the Fake Zombies & a Malibu Scene Report Jul 30, 2024

Daniel Ralston is the writer and producer of the podcast series The True Story of the Fake Zombies, available everywhere. We talk about “Time of the Season” blowing up without The Zombies knowing about it, Rolling Stone's Ben Fong Torres, Buzzfeed’s longform era, turning an article into a podcast, ? & the Mysterians, the ZZ Top of it all, small-town history museums, Huell Howser, 70s artists that popped off in the 80s, Jason Molina, British psych and Texas blues, Justin absolutely flubs a new podcast “segment,” Malibu real-estate scene report, Kanye’s Ando house, Daniel’s old neighbors (Axl Rose and a guy named “Rattlesnake”) and the current state of the The Zombies.

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Steven Hyden on Patio Music & Bruce Springsteen Jul 22, 2024

Steven Hyden is a writer and podcaster whose new book, There Was Nothing You Could Do, is out now. We talk about the Patio Hall of Fame, why he’s a terrible DJ, vinyl is for suckers, music hits different on the patio, Skynyrd vs. Neil Young, Steve picks the most patio-friendly Radiohead and Pearl Jam records, how he writes so damn much, small-town newspapers, a Mr. Miyagi analogy we can all learn from, “liking Nebraska but not Bruce Springsteen” is a whole type of guy (aka me), Jackson Browne (mark your Bingo card), LA vs. NY mindset, are politicians still playing Born in the USA?, early 90s vs late 90s, Shania Twain, heartland rock, and is Sublime good or do they stink?

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Miranda Reinert on Merch, Zines, Hole, and Hockey Jun 04, 2024

Miranda Reinert is a writer, podcaster and zine maker. We talk about making a full-on magazine, Jimmy Montague/Taking Meds, getting ideas out of your head and into the world, The End of Merch?, your double-knee Carhartts are a social signifier, creating something that lasts, tangibility, Grace Robins-Somerville on Hole’s Live Through This, what are you communicating when you post your Last.fm 4x4s and 5x5s?, Miranda’s favorite hockey team, we debut a new segment, The New York Rangers are cringe, The Tampa Bay sports teams can’t fill their stadiums and neither can The Black Keys, we ideate on a Cruise Concert that would kill, and a peek inside of Portable Model, Issue One.

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Jokermen's Ian Grant and Evan Laffer on the Jokermen Mindset May 22, 2024

Do artists get worse with age or can they get more interesting? Behold the Jokermen Mindset.

Ian and Evan of the Jokermen podcast and I talk about approaching music with an empty head, Dylan’s Philosophy of Modern Song, when artists DO just get shittier with age, Albini & Steely Dan, what song would a group of Canadian bachelor party bros sing together over a cliffside?, “mid TV” and boring art, Hackney Diamonds, Steven Hyden, Fountain of Sorrow, Gawker, and the Jackson Browne/Warren Zevon bond. The current season of Jokermen is about The Beach Boys. It's beautiful, go listen.

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AGAINST ME!: Laura Jane Grace Interview Apr 02, 2024

Laura Jane Grace is the songwriter behind Against Me! We discuss meaningless songs, the 7-hour Beatles documentary, she quit horoscopes, big life changes, Travis Barker on Rick Rubin, Operation Ivy reunion vs. Fugazi reunion, hoarding guitars, “Fit But You Know It” by The Streets, Butch Vig gave Laura homework, Franz Ferdinand-core, bitching about the music industry in song, Laura’s favorite Nirvana album, Steve Albini, Tom Petty, naiveté + inexperience + ambition + hard work = good, morning-pages, Yoga with Adriene, Steak Mtn as a pen-pal, Birds Talk Too, touching grass, George Harrison, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dysphoria Hoodie, not thinking about gender, Lay’s potato chips and Billy Corgan, shredding her voice, relapsing on coffee, movies stink now, plus the current and future state of Against Me! Laura's new solo record, ⁠Hole in My Head⁠, is out now. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com

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AGAINST ME! We Drafted Our Greatest Hits Apr 01, 2024

This one's not like the others. It's four pals in a room doing an Against Me! song draft while drinking Rainiers and eating junk. It's dumb and wonderful and only on Patreon: AGAINST ME!

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AGAINST ME!: Self-titled 12" (1999) w/ Jordan Kleeman Mar 13, 2024

Jordan Kleeman started Crasshole Records as a teenager and put out several early Against Me! EPs including this legendary self-titled 12” record. We talk about the first version of “Walking is Still Honest,” why this beautiful record sounds like shit, a decade of touring with Against Me!, and holding down that synth-key note on “8 Hours of Full Sleep.” Just a wonderful person and a perfect boomerang back to the beginning of this band’s story. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com

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AGAINST ME! Shape Shift With Me Jan 30, 2024

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AGAINST ME!: Transgender Dysphoria Blues, w/ Casey Plett Jan 19, 2024

Casey Plett is an author from Canada. We talk about coming out in a Rolling Stone article, dissecting The Ocean, seeing Against Me! In Winnipeg on the Transgender Dysphoria Blues tour, low-key gesturing back to Reinventing Axl Rose w/ those first snare hits, the novel “Nevada” by Imogen Binnie, “Rough surf on the coast, I wish I could have spent the whole day alone,” misinterpreting the message of Fight Club, which of these songs are first-person?, pressure on trans artists to be positive and peppy, dead friends, “Black Me Out,” 10 years ago compared to now, the pre-backlash liminal space that this album was born into, poetic contemplation of mosh pits, Laura looked so happy in Winnipeg, ETC! Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com

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AGAINST ME!: White Crosses, w/ Steak Mtn (Christopher Norris) Dec 31, 2023

Steak Mtn (Christopher Norris) did the art for several Against Me! records including this one. We talk about the album White Crosses, the revolution being a lie, collaborating on art with Laura, Christopher's not a fan of anarcho-bucket music, getting that Warner Bros. money, this album has sheen but it also has teeth, the iconic Transgender Dysphoria Blues meat-cube album cover, scanning porn magazines and melting them in Photoshop, major-label tinkering, Laura being a teenage anarchist, The Ocean is an Against Me! song from the future, White Crosses is not pop-punk; it’s pop-rock, more Florida talk, Robert McNamara’s son is a farmer and I interviewed him once, Christopher sat on a flight with the manager who was suing the band, writing a book is hard, and he’s not an artist nor is he an author, but he did design this record cover and you can buy his novel, The Holy Day, now. Email the show at delugepodcast@gmail.com

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AGAINST ME!: New Wave, w/ Ben Lee Dec 20, 2023

Ben Lee is a musician from Australia now in LA. We talk about New Wave, having his mind blown on a flight to Australia, trusting Tegan and Sara’s taste, a punk-rock duet, why Ben covered this record, the music industry changes so why resist it, would you take the Hyundai sponsorship, would you open for Maroon 5?, New Wave is a historical document, clunky sentences as catchy choruses, “Be my Baby,” Trent Reznor, Butch Vig, Nic Johns, fan backlash, and viewing your life as an art project.

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AGAINST ME!: Searching for a Former Clarity, w/ Keegan Bradford Dec 07, 2023

Keegan Bradford (⁠@franziamom⁠) plays in Camp Trash and writes about music online. We talk about Against Me!’s Searching for a Former Clarity, folk-punk being out of fashion, Algernon Cadwallader as a fictional band, hostile fanbases, Florida geography and scene dynamics, the best record ever about arguing on the internet, AM!’s miserable ascent, Laura breaks out the band's financials, Former Clarity is bloated but we struggle to tighten it, Miami, tiny font and Fat Mike, antagonizing the fans, Condoleeeeza, mid-2000s Franz Ferdinand-core, Problems with everything, confessing childhood secrets, the jean-jacket patch version of a Live Laugh Love sign, John K. Samson, Justin's dead, the band sounds exhausted but there is joy in every possibility.

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AGAINST ME!: We're Never Going Home (Documentary) w/ Run into the Ground Nov 23, 2023

This week we go to the movies. I'm joined by Dan Bassini and Andrew Valentine of the Run into the Ground podcast to talk about the 2004 Against Me! tour documentary We're Never Going Home, which sees the band getting courted by major labels and fucking with their fellow touring bands. Plus Asbury Park, depressing East Coast beaches, and iconic venue carpets. It's a fun one. [WATCH VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE]

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AGAINST ME!: As the Eternal Cowboy & Disco Before the Breakdown, w/ Ryan Page Nov 16, 2023

Ryan Page plays in the band Bad Dads. We talk about being a message-board kid, bands as bumper stickers, lying to Fat Mike, “whoas,” major labels swooping in, Ardent Studios, not getting sick of the Eternal Cowboy songs, y’all overpraised the Tim remaster, spinning this CD thrice in a row, we revisit the Axl snare sound, I say “chuckles” a half-dozen times, “when I got the music, I got a place to go,” The Disco Before the Breakdown, Against Me! playing “Tonight We’re Gonna Give it 35%” acoustic at Thump Records in LA, getting romantic for Florida even though we know it sucks, interpunk.com, my wellness-tonic journey, Beatles vs. Stones 2023, and We’re Never Going Home.

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AGAINST ME!: Reinventing Axl Rose, w/ Austin Lucas Oct 26, 2023

Austin Lucas is a musician whose latest album is called Reinventing Against Me! We talk about being crust-adjacent, Austin’s path from hardcore to country, The Go-Gos, the Axl cover, live-streaming through the early pandemic, "Oh Donna," knocking out a record in two days, John Mellencamp’s background singer, that snare drum tone, St. Anger, Fall Out Boy’s “We Didn’t Start the Fire,” arguing online, Jason Isbell on Twitter, coming out as trans, The Revival Tour, John Popper, Laura Jane Grace as one of our greatest songwriters, when punk bands make pop records, when the scene gets gentrified, ETC!

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AGAINST ME!: Crime as Forgiven by Against Me! w/ Frank Turner Oct 15, 2023

Crime as Forgiven By Against Me! was released in 2001 and followed that same year by the band's self-titled acoustic EP.

Frank Turner is a musician from England. He joined us from his studio while working on his next album. We talk about knocking out records, Alternative Press, diagonal haircuts, gatekeeping subgenres of emo, Frank was a few high school grades behind Against Me!, the Crime EP was slipped to him like drugs, he loves New Wave, trying to be Neil Young, "selling out" at the dawn of social media, Love Ire & Song, feeling a little guilty around Ian MacKaye, going back in time to give Against Me! a hug, Gainesville, Tom Petty, No Idea Records, Lisa Loeb, folk is the only scene more annoying than punk, Frightened Rabbit, “Dylan goes electric,” me playing harmonica with Frank at The Fillmore, Against Me! scaring his fans in the UK, and then my wife pops in to say a quick hello.

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AGAINST ME!: Season 3 Trailer Sep 13, 2023

Season 3 of After the Deluge goes album by album through the Against Me! discography with a new guest on each episode, starting with their early days in Gainesville followed by records released on No Idea and Fat Wreck Chords before signing to a major label deal—all of that before Transgender Dysphoria Blues. Joining us on the finale is Laura Jane Grace herself. It's on all podcast apps as of now, but it soon may have to leave.

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Dan Ozzi (Sellout) Aug 22, 2023

I talked to Dan Ozzi, author of the book Sellout, about his recent Fader piece about The Armed—a band/collective/cult from Detroit. We jump from there into early 2010s music writing, hearing new music as you get old, editing Noisey in the early 2010s, getting nostalgic about Chumped, media now vs. media then, when the label or publisher asks you to do corny stuff, selling out, "lying Lydia Tár" ...and then we close out by reacting to Barack Obama’s summer playlist, which dropped right before we recorded.

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Album of the Year w/ Tim Kasher (The Good Life) Aug 07, 2023

Tim Kasher returns for a special episode about The Good Life’s Album of the Year. We talk about Zooming with Conor Oberst on bad wifi, his upcoming tour, his high school band March Hares opening for 311, Tim’s Red Hot Chili Peppers horoscope theory, Inmates, early 2000s Saddle Creek albums about substances, Cursive, debauchery and heartache, Tim loves musicals, I get a little emo about the seasons, Vanessa Carlton, Ryan Fox's slide guitar, creating albums in a world made for songs, The Good Life’s website SEO, and what next?

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BRIGHT EYES: CONOR OBERST INTERVIEW (Finale) Aug 01, 2023

I talk to Conor Oberst of Bright Eyes about Jackson Browne, emo, being a child among the Saddle Creek teens, showing ambition in a slacker scene, Pitchfork reviews, a wild story behind “Soul Singer in a Session Band," his songs making sense to him but maybe not to you, Conor’s media diet, listening to audiobooks about feathers, do people pay too much attention to politics now?, AI and Chat GPT, The Faint being ahead of their time, could he write “First Day of My Life” on command?, long songs and “Let’s Not Shit Ourselves,” using SAT words in lyrics, that perfect Waxahatchee record, the next batch of companion EPs, opening for Paramore at the Emo Fest, that cancelled Houston show, writing songs to impress Tim Kasher, Todd Fink and Ted Stevens, leaving Saddle Creek, how to get into the band Superchunk, what does Conor Oberst think of 311?, Rage Against the Machine vs. Limp Bizkit, Down in the Weeds, feeling like The Beatles on the Wide Awake tour... not so much on the Digital Ash tour… and then we meet his dog Petra and say goodbye!

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BRIGHT EYES: Cassadaga, w/ Brian Howe & Evan Bailey (Ep. 11) Jul 22, 2023

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Brian Howe is a music, arts and culture critic for Pitchfork and many other outlets. Evan Bailey sings and plays guitar in the band Oh, Lonesome Ana. We talk about the Bright Eyes record Cassadaga, experimental album art, mysticism, fiddles, Brian discovering Fevers & Mirrors, meaning outside of religion, reassessing this record, high fidelity audio, Brian’s 6.0 Pitchfork review, songs about Oberst's life vs. songs about The World, “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” Cassadaga, FL, songs that feel longer than they are, Oberst’s Inside Llewyn Davis audition, getting clean in Los Angeles, “Countrypolitan," "Classic Cars," seeing the Cassadaga tour live, Kirsten Dunst, Mogis pedal steel.

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BRIGHT EYES: Fevers & Mirrors, w/ Ian Cohen (Ep. 2) Jul 16, 2023

Ian Cohen (Pitchfork/Indiecast) and I talk about Fevers and Mirrors, a pivotal moment for Bright Eyes and Saddle Creek. Check out Ian's excellent Pitchfork review of the vinyl reissue in 2012.

Also discussed: Dashboard Confessional, Emo, long intro tracks to chase off the squares, early Pitchfork, Rolling Stone reviews for old rockers, bands swinging BIG, our embarrassing teenage journals, Steven Hyden’s album rankings, is Cassadaga overrated or underrated?, eBaum’s World, No Woman No Cry, THAT FAKE RADIO INTERVIEW, Todd Fink’s improv skills, and "A Song to Pass the Time" as the album's epilogue.

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BRIGHT EYES: Season 2 Trailer Jul 02, 2023

Season two of After the Deluge goes album by album through the Bright Eyes discography, from the basement recordings in Omaha through the pandemic release after a decade-long hiatus, and some real classics in between. We've got guests like Tim Kasher, Todd Fink, and Conor Oberst himself.

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JACKSON BROWNE INTERVIEW (Finale) Feb 01, 2023

Our guest on this season's finale is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his whole career, from writing "These Days" at 16 up to his latest record, Downhill From Everywhere. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com.

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JACKSON BROWNE: Running on Empty, w/ Holly Gleason (Ep. 5) Jan 15, 2023

In Episode 5 we talk about the Jackson Browne album Running on Empty with music critic, author and songwriter Holly Gleason—basically a legend in my estimation. This is the episode where I realized this podcast After the Deluge could not only work, but feel transcendent. She's a legit one of a kind.

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JACKSON BROWNE: Season 1 Trailer Jan 02, 2023

Join me for a deep-dive through the Jackson Browne discography starting with his first five albums, which I believe represent one of the best five-album runs by any artist ever. Each podcast episode is built upon an interview with a different musician or writer close to Jackson Browne’s music. Every episode about every Jackson Browne album is live now:

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