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    5-4 – Prologue Projects

    5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it’s a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court’s most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.
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    Oklahoma v. Castro-Huerta Aug 09, 2022
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    Continuing its trajectory of abandoning tests that don't pass the vibe check, the Supreme Court ruled that states can prosecute crimes committed by non-Natives on Native land. The holding overturns literally centuries of precedent and clears the way to eliminate tribal sovereignty all together.


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    Free Speech, Cancel Culture, and the Court [TEASER] Aug 02, 2022
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    Live from the People's Parity convening in Washington, DC, we're talking about free speech and the right's obsession with cancel culture. We're digging into what speech the conservative legal movement thinks is worth protecting (such as the heavenbound prayers of a humble junior varsity football coach) and what speech is not (all other speech).


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    "We can make Roe the law everywhere" - An Interview with Senator Elizabeth Warren Jul 28, 2022
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    Senator Elizabeth Warren, we can only assume against the advice of counsel, agreed to come on 5-4. We talked about the filibuster, the Democratic response to Dobbs, and Peter and Michael's beards.



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    WTF Are The Dems Doing? with Jamelle Bouie Jul 26, 2022
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    Imagine you are given a month and a half head start on a race. Do you A) start running, B) wait around until the official start time to run, or C) act surprised when the race starts and chastise any of your teammates who tell you that it's time to start running? If you chose C, congratulations, you are the Democratic Party responding to the Dobb decision!


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    West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency Jul 19, 2022
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    John Roberts has decided that the standard for whether or not something is a "major question" is whether or not it "raises an eyebrow." But like, let's not beat around the bush, John - you can just say vibe check.


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    Kennedy v. Bremerton School District Jul 12, 2022
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    In this case from the most recent term, the Court once again says we should look to history and tradition to determine what's appropriate. Which is gonna be a tough one to parse, because the founders didn't really give us a strong sense of how they felt about junior varsity football games at public high schools. Probably because none of those things had been invented yet.


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    Shinn v. Ramirez Jun 28, 2022
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    This episode contains descriptions of violence against a child that may be challenging for some listeners. Please take care while listening.


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    Emergency Episode: Roe Is Overturned Jun 25, 2022
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    The Supreme Court has released the long-awaited Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision. The news is bad.


    Ruling in favor of Mississippi, the Court allows the state to ban nearly all abortions after 15 weeks. The opinion is written by Justice Samuel Alito, and is largely the same as the opinion that was leaked earlier this year. Alito writes, "The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives."


    Roe v. Wade, precedent that has guaranteed privacy and bodily autonomy for half a century, is dead, imperiling the access to reproductive healthcare for millions of people.


    We know this has been a hard week, but what makes it a little lighter for us is knowing that you all are out there. Thanks for being a listener.

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    Egbert v. Boule Jun 21, 2022
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    In this case the Court holds that you have no right to sue a federal official, even if a border agent trespasses on your property, knocks you to the ground, and calls the IRS on you for having the gall to file a complaint about it. So if you're keeping track at home, the Court is saying that First Amendment and Fourth Amendment don't actually mean anything.


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    5-4 x Know Your Enemy: "Overturning Roe, Part One" Jun 14, 2022
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    The hosts were recently guests on Know Your Enemy, talking about the origins of the conservative legal movement, and its decades-long campaign to overturn Roe v. Wade. This episode is part of a series they're calling "How They Did It," about the likely reversal of Roe. If you like this episode, you find Know Your Enemy wherever you get your podcasts.


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