Religion on the Mind

Christianity Rising in Silicon Valley (#353) Oct 06, 2025

You Have Permission is now Religion on the Mind! Look for our updated artwork in your podcast feed and listen to this episode for more about what you can expect with the new name.

In this episode, I sit down with Zoë Bernard, a writer and journalist who wrote a fascinating piece about Christianity's surprising resurgence in Silicon Valley. I share my own experience growing up evangelical in the Valley during the dot-com era—a time when religion, especially Christianity, felt distinctly uncool in tech circles. Zoë and I explore how dramatically things have shifted: where tech leaders once kept their faith quiet or embraced new atheism, figures like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk now publicly identify with Christianity, and startups in places like El Segundo are hosting Bible studies. We dig into what's driving this change—from the moral complexity of working in AI and defense tech, to the perceived failures of "wokeism" as a secular replacement for religion, to the hollow feeling many successful tech workers experience despite their wealth.

I push back on some of the tensions I see between Silicon Valley's uber-capitalism and Jesus's actual economic teachings, while Zoë offers insights from her time embedded with young Christian entrepreneurs who are reshaping tech culture.

We close by considering how AI might fundamentally alter spirituality itself—a conversation we'll definitely need to continue.

Zoe's Website | Zoe-bernard.com

Zoe's Article | https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2025/4/god-complex

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You Have Permission is now Religion on the Mind Oct 02, 2025

It’s a new name, new art… and the rest is pretty much the same content you know and love on the overlap of psychology, religion and spirituality.

My teammates Josh Gilbert and Joy Vetterlein join me for a quick chat about our rebrand of this podcast (It’s a glow-up, but Dan wants everyone to know those are Joy’s words and not his words).

We talk about why the change now, what it represents in the context of the culture at large and share about upcoming series and episodes in the works.

Listen in and keep an eye out for new artwork in your podcast feed!

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Tripp Fuller: Does Original Sin Need a Comeback? (#352) Sep 29, 2025

Friend of the pod Tripp Fuller joins me in full Dodgers gear (the audacity!) to discuss why the doctrine of original sin desperately needs a comeback—not the toxic version that told us we couldn't trust our own emotions or experiences, but a robust theological framework that actually explains the mess we're living in.

We unpack how the concept of original sin operates on three interconnected levels: individual, communal, and structural. We tear apart Augustine's outdated biology while rescuing his psychological insights, trace the snowball effect of violence from Cain's first murder through the Tower of Babel, and discover why progressive Christians who rail against systemic injustice are actually doing theology whether they realize it or not.

Along the way, we somehow manage to argue about Sam Harris, the military-industrial complex, global capitalism, and whether America is an evil empire or just another flawed superpower trying not to blow up the world.

If you've ever wondered why humans keep doing terrible things despite our best intentions, or why your evangelical upbringing left you allergic to the very doctrine that might actually help you understand structural oppression, this conversation is for you.

Come to Theology Beer Camp 2025

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Powerful Men & Their Terrible Fathers (#351) Sep 22, 2025

Attention YHP Listeners: Starting in October, the podcast You Have Permission will change its name to Religion on the Mind. This rebrand will come with new artwork and focus more broadly on the overlap of Psychology, Religion & Spirituality. We look forward to telling you more in the coming days… stay tuned!

I sit down with previous guest Matt Naylor from the Milkless podcast to explore a disturbing pattern he discovered through a simple Google experiment: searching for public figures known for embracing violence and cruelty, then adding "father" to see what emerges. From Elon Musk to Joe Rogan to JD Vance, the batting average for abuse, abandonment, and alcoholism is striking.

We dig into the neuroscience behind early childhood attachment, examining how those first six months of life literally wire our brains for how we perceive safety in the world. Matt shares research on rat mothers who groom their babies differently and how those early experiences shape everything from stress response to longevity—findings that translate directly to human development. We explore the unique roles fathers play in transmitting worldview and values, diving into attachment research that shows father-child relationships are particularly crucial for managing externalizing behaviors like aggression and rule-breaking.

The conversation takes a personal turn as Matt reflects on his own family history and his determination to raise daughters who see the world as an enchanted place full of wonder rather than a threatening landscape requiring constant vigilance. The episode weaves together cutting-edge brain science, attachment theory, and deeply personal reflection on what it means to be a father in an increasingly polarized world.

Take It Offline Question: What things do you find that you feel in your body about the world that don't line up with the way you wish you felt about the world?

Milkless Podcast

Child-father attachment and behavior problems (NIH)

Christian Century interview with Vern Bengston about fathers and religious transmission to children

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Charlie Kirk & The Psychology of Evolution (#350) Sep 18, 2025

In this week’s Top of Mind segment, I address the Charlie Kirk assassination through cognitive distortions, calling out the all-or-nothing thinking that's turning him into either a blessed martyr or democracy's destroyer when the reality is more nuanced. I also push back against the dangerous idea that speech equals violence, pointing out that Kirk's murder serves as a stark reminder that actual bullets—not words—constitute real violence.

For this week’s main episode, I’m going solo. I start by sharing how my own faith deconstruction included grappling with evolution. From questioning young earth creationism to eventually embracing evolutionary theory by my late twenties, and how evolution informs my therapeutic practice.

Then, I go into how psychology has fully embraced evolutionary explanations across five key areas:

attachment theory (which appears across species and helped our ancestors survive through bonding),
shame (as an evolved social conscience that keeps us aligned with group norms),
sexual jealousy (as mate-guarding behavior found throughout the animal kingdom),
anxiety (as an overactive alarm system that kept our ancestors alive through hypervigilance), and
depression (as either energy conservation during adverse conditions or analytical rumination for solving complex problems.)

These evolutionary frameworks help reduce client shame by showing that their struggles aren't personal defects but rather ancient survival systems that are now mismatched to our modern world.

In the Patreon-only portion, I dive deeper into attachment research with macaques, the neuroscience of shame and anxiety across species, mate-guarding behaviors from chimpanzees to humans, and two competing theories of depression—the hibernation model and analytical rumination hypothesis.

Episodes Mentioned:

Episode with Adrian Wyard | To Accept Theistic Evolution (#2)

To Trust Science (#28)

Evolution Myths & Long Lifespans in Genesis (#36)

Who’s Afraid of Evolutionary Psychology? (#47)

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The Gospel of Self-Optimization (#349) Sep 15, 2025

My fellow Beach Boys fan and returning guest David Zahl is back to discuss his provocative critique of self-optimization culture in his Plough Quarterly piece "Against Self-Optimization.” As someone who has maximized my morning routine to a science, I wrestle with my own efficiency obsession and David's argument that our machine-like language and relentless pursuit of becoming "optimized" versions of ourselves is fundamentally dehumanizing.

We look at how Jesus wasn't particularly efficient, how the wellness industry monetizes our unhappiness, and whether there's a difference between optimization and ruthless efficiency.

Along the way, we touch on everything from Daft Punk's "Harder Better Faster Stronger" to the theology of death, the loneliness epidemic, and why churches that function too seamlessly might actually be missing the point.

David brings his characteristically poetic perspective to counter my more prose-like approach, creating a conversation that challenges both the Silicon Valley promise of endless self-improvement and the Christian concept of becoming our "ideal selves" — while somehow managing to work in references to Beach Boys, Radiohead, and why AI should do our laundry, not write our books.

David's Piece Against Optimization

David's Books

Songs Played:

Me Without You | "Red Cow & Dorothy"

Daft Punk | Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

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Dobson’s Legacy: Trauma, Attachment & Shame (#348) Sep 08, 2025

I sit down with licensed therapist Emily Maynard—herself a product of Dobson-influenced parenting—to unpack what I'm calling one of the most consequential psychological disasters of the last fifty years. While James Dobson's death a few weeks ago has evangelicals reflecting on his legacy, Emily and I dig into the wreckage his teachings left in therapy offices across America.

We explore how his "loving discipline" and will-breaking methods created attachment wounds, spiritual abuse, and shame cycles that adults are still untangling decades later—and why parents who would never have hit their children became convinced it was the most loving thing they could do.

Emily brings both clinical expertise and personal experience to bear on questions that hit close to home: How do you heal from authoritarian parenting that was sold as godly love? What happens when the very people meant to be your safe harbor become sources of fear? And perhaps most importantly—what do we carry forward, and what do we finally have permission to leave behind?

Emily's Website | ⁠Emilymaynardtherapy.com⁠

Emily's Instagram | ⁠@Emilymaynardlmft⁠

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Producer Josh Takes the Hot Seat (#347) Sep 04, 2025

He’s out from behind the green curtain! In this episode, my guest is none other than my producer and audio/editor wizard, Josh Gilbert. Josh spends about 23 hours per week listening to conversations on religion, psychology, and deconstruction. He joins me to tell how this work has fundamentally changed his worldview and sense of self.

For Josh, this immersive listening experience has made it nearly impossible for him to be surprised by new ideas and has pushed him towards comedy and entertainment for palette cleansing. He tells the story of attending both Black Lives Matter protests and police ride-alongs, and shares how listening has transformed his capacity for empathy and given him the ability to see multiple perspectives.

We dive into the psychology of repetition, the nature of intellectual humility, and how Josh's journey through religious scrupulosity and OCD diagnosis has intersected with his unique vantage point as someone who absorbs thousands of hours of other people's spiritual and psychological processing—without being able to contribute his own voice to the conversation.

In the Patron-only portion, we wrestle with the deeper questions of religious belief—Josh arguing that we inevitably construct our beliefs from our experiences rather than discovering objective truth, while I explore whether there's a defensible middle path where following Jesus's teachings remains worthwhile even if I'm entirely wrong about the metaphysical claims of Christianity.

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Why Study Religion? (#346) Sep 02, 2025

In this week’s episode of You Have Permission, I sit down with Dr. Richard B. Miller, Professor Emeritus from the University of Chicago Divinity School, to tackle his blunt question (and the title of his book): Why Study Religion?

What starts as a defense against critics like Sam Harris—who'd rather we just stick to the "straight dope" of science—quickly spirals into something much more provocative: religion as the ultimate training ground for navigating our hypermediated, pluralistic world where we're drowning in conflicting authorities and information overload. Miller argues that religious studies isn't just academic navel-gazing but a crucial skill-building exercise in what he calls "post-critical reasoning," teaching us to hold multiple worldviews in tension without falling into either fundamentalist certainty or relativistic paralysis.

We discuss why the secularization hypothesis got it wrong, how contemplative traditions across religions offer surprising resources for the ecological crisis, and why understanding the religious "wackadoodles" (my term, not his) might be the key to actually changing minds rather than just preaching to the choir.

By the end, I'm wrestling with my own biases about expanding this podcast beyond Christianity, and you'll be questioning whether your discomfort with religion says more about the world's problems or your own assumptions about how to solve them.

Richard's Book | Why Religion Matters?

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Live Patron Q&A: Audience Capture, IFS & Podcast Hosting Aug 28, 2025

Last week I hosted a live Q&A session for our Patrons—one of the perks that comes with a YHP Patreon membership (now on sale for 42% off an annual subscription with code BIRTHDAY).

We spent a good portion of the time talking about the concept of “audience capture” and this podcast in particular, and whether I've been shaped by what my listeners want to hear rather than staying true to my own interests and convictions. I admit I might be constitutionally allergic to giving people what they want and may be too resistant to audience preferences rather than captured by them—while another member suggests that my contrarian nature might itself be a form of audience capture!

Other questions come up about the experience of hosting a podcast— how I handle criticism, my defensive tendency to avoid listening to podcasters who do what I want to do better than me, and the raw envy I feel when I see smaller podcasts outperforming mine. We also get into the Internal Family Systems modality of therapy, which sparked a rich discussion about this approach to understanding different "parts" of ourselves.

In the Patreon-only portion, we continue the IFS discussion with input from trained therapists, discuss the challenges and benefits of having podcast listeners as therapy clients (including awkward moments when they look me up!), and field questions about work-life balance, religious traditions, and personal experiences with various therapy modalities.

Thanks to all of you who came… and hope to see the rest of you soon!

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Dr. James Dobson Dead & Still Christian: Comedian Jeremy Alder (#345) Aug 25, 2025

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In this week’s “Top of Mind” segment, I reflect on the legacy of Dr. James Dobson, a prominent figure in evangelical psychology and parenting advice; highlighting some things Dobson got right, as well as areas where his teachings have caused great harm. I discuss Dobson's influence on conservative Christian views, critique some of his psychological perspectives, and evaluate the accuracy of his claims and evaluate the accuracy of his claims regarding queer sexuality, “secular humanism” in modern psychology, and his most influential area: parenting and discipline.

In today’s main interview (beginning around min 33), comedian Jeremy Alder is here to discuss his journey from fundamentalist homeschooling in Texas to stand-up comedy. Jeremy brings sharp wit and genuine theological insight as we trace his path from a prosperity gospel upbringing through youth group dropout years, then back to faith via Augustine's Confessions and Reformed University Fellowship at UT Austin.

Now, Jeremy blends Eastern Orthodox spirituality with liberation theology while creating his "Christians That Don't Suck" video series that highlights radical Christian figures fighting against what he calls "Confederate fascist Christianity."

We explore how his philosophy and religion background shaped both his comedy and his current pursuit of a degree to work with religious trauma survivors, the practical realities of changing careers in your forties with five kids, and making the leap into creative work that challenges both conservative Christians and secular audiences.

Jeremy's Website | Jeremyalder.com

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Go to Bed Angry (#344) Aug 21, 2025

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In today’s bonus episode, team member Joy Vetterlein and I tackle what might be the most commonly given piece of marriage advice at wedding receptions: "don't go to bed angry."

After seeing comedian Leanne Morgan flip this conventional wisdom on its head during a Colbert appearance, we dive into why this advice became so popular in mid-20th century America through the "infection model" of marital conflict, explore what modern neuroscience tells us about arguing while dysregulated (hint: your prefrontal cortex isn't working very well at a 7+ on the anger scale), and discover that the original biblical verse this advice comes from had absolutely nothing to do with marriage. I share my practical "rule of sevens" for knowing when to table an argument, and confess to being the type of person who will hijack wedding videographers to give counter-programming relationship advice.

In the Patreon portion, Joy and I get personal about our own marriages, including her revelation about needing to give herself permission to consider divorce in order to truly choose her marriage, and we explore a 7th-century monk's surprisingly modern insights about anger as spiritual energy.

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GGCH: Liberal Card Holders In Good Standing & Media Habits (#343) Aug 18, 2025

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It’s time for another Generation Gap Culture Hour (Full Episode Special), where Dan Koch sits down with Tony Jones and Josh Gilbert to peel back some layers about self-reflection, media habits, and big financial decisions, all through their differing generational perspectives.

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What Would Jesus Sell? (#342) Aug 11, 2025

My friend James Wightman joins me to tell me about What Would Jesus Sell? a documentary he's been working on for eight years about the Christian music industry.

We get into how Christian music evolved from the genuine DIY spirit of the 1970s Jesus Movement into today's sanitized, focus-grouped machine that prioritizes “Becky” (the industry's target demographic of exhausted soccer moms) over artistic integrity. James reveals the open secrets everyone in green rooms and tour buses has whispered about for years, explains why the incentive structures actually punish authenticity while rewarding conformity, and shares how his own journey led him to realize that both artists and consumers are trapped in an exploitative system that uses spiritual language to sell us baby food when we're starving for a real meal. He also shares some insider perspective on the recent allegations against Michael Tait.

It's a conversation about art, faith, commerce, and what happens when you try to package the sacred for mass consumption.

James on Instagram | @James.final.mp4

Walk Me Through Jesus Movement Music '67-'79 (Part 1)

⁠Walk Me Through Jesus Movement Music '67-'79 (Part 2)

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Shiny Happy People Joins The #Resistance (#341) Aug 07, 2025

Sarah Lane Ritchie is back for our final Shiny Happy People discussion from Season 2 of the Amazon docuseries. Sarah opens with a delightfully unhinged question about whether I've ever been exorcised (spoiler: I haven't, but Sarah casually drops that she's had "many, many" attempted exorcisms like it's no big deal).

We then tear into episode three's heavy-handed turn toward political fearmongering that had even us progressive-leaning viewers rolling our eyes at their irresponsible psychoanalytic claims about Ron Luce and bristling at the lack of journalistic integrity while declaring existential threats to democracy.

Behind the Patreon paywall, Sarah makes her compelling academic case for why Honor Academy functioned as a cult (it checks pretty much every box), we dive deep into my spiritual abuse research and how multiple subtypes show up in the Teen Mania system, and we wrestle with the genuinely difficult question of how much "collateral damage" might be acceptable when intense religious experiences create both profound meaning and lasting trauma for different people.

⁠⁠Watch Shiny Happy People Season 2⁠⁠

Sarah's Website | ⁠⁠⁠Sarahlaneritchie.net⁠⁠⁠

YHP Episodes on Season 1:

⁠⁠Shiny Happy People: Did Bill Gothard Create Pedophiles? (#198)⁠⁠

⁠⁠Shiny Happy People: Are Children Born Evil? (#200)⁠⁠

⁠⁠Shiny Happy People: Was Bill Gothard A Cult Leader? (#202)⁠⁠

⁠⁠Is "Shiny Happy People" Anti-Religion? (#204)⁠

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A Religious Trauma Scandal & How Childhood Shapes Our Brains (#340) Aug 04, 2025

Top of Mind:

I start this episode by addressing the recent report from Baptist News Global regarding former guest Dr. Laura E. Anderson, a well-known therapist and coach in the religious trauma world, detailing ethical board sanctioning and other complaints by her associates.

Main Interview (Adam joins at 6:45):

Licensed therapist and Place We Find Ourselves podcast host Adam Young joins me to explore how our childhood stories quite literally shape our brains—and why telling those stories accurately matters more than we might think.

We dig into Adam's narrative and body-focused therapeutic approach, which complements my own cognitive work by emphasizing how our neural networks wire together through early relational experiences with primary caregivers. We discuss why truth-telling orients us with reality in ways that reduce shame and self-contempt, explore the neuroscience behind why we can't simply suppress difficult emotions (spoiler: your amygdala has other plans), and examine how attachment patterns from ages 2-3 continue influencing our adult relationships through fight-flight-freeze responses.

Adam introduces the concept of "blessing our younger selves" as distinct from the popular notion of "reparenting," drawing on Internal Family Systems theory to help us understand the different parts within us that need attention.

Take it Offline:

Take this conversation beyond the solo podcast experience into real community with friends and ask each other:

"Where do you find yourself most laboring under accusation?"

He explains that all of us live with self-contempt and feel accusation about various aspects of our lives throughout our days — our parenting, our relationships, our habits, our compulsions, who we are and how we show up in the world. This vulnerable but powerful question can help bring kindness into areas that are exhausting and are often suffered in silence and alone.

Adam's Website | ⁠Adamyoungcounseling.com⁠

Adam's Book | ⁠Make Sense of Your Story: Why Engaging Your Past with Kindness Changes Everything⁠

Related Episodes:

Episode #197 - "Un-Shaming Each Part of Ourselves" with Molly LaCroixEpisode #333 - "The Science of Social Connection" with Julia Hotz

Episode #337 - "The 'Middle Path' in Politics & Purity Culture" with Dr. Camden Morgante

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Shiny Happy People: Ready for Martyrdom? (#339) Jul 31, 2025

In today's episode, I'm diving back into the deep end with theologian and philosopher of science Sarah Lane Ritchie for part two of our response to the Shiny Happy People docuseries, focusing on episode two's unflinching look at Teen Mania's Honor Academy.

We start by exploring one of the most psychologically complex aspects of growing up in end-times evangelical culture: the expectation that your life might be cut short—whether through martyrdom, the rapture, or other apocalyptic events. Sarah and I unpack how this shaped our teenage years differently, with her wrestling with anxiety about "making the cut" for the rapture while I was more concerned about missing out on earthly experiences before Jesus returned.

We examine how this worldview creates two distinct buckets of spiritual trauma, and I introduce what I call "the jihad test"—a thought experiment about how we'd want someone to escape coercive religious indoctrination if they were born into a jihadist group, and why those same critical thinking tools should be available to all young people in high-demand religious environments.

In the Patreon portion, we dig deeper into the militaristic aspects of Honor Academy, the psychology of high-demand religious groups, listener feedback about Bible smuggling and mission trip costs, and the complex relationship between traditional masculinity and evangelical theology.

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Sarah's Website | ⁠⁠Sarahlaneritchie.net⁠⁠

Patreon Only Episode : ⁠Martyrdom Expectations

YHP Episodes on Season 1:

⁠Shiny Happy People: Did Bill Gothard Create Pedophiles? (#198)⁠

⁠Shiny Happy People: Are Children Born Evil? (#200)⁠

⁠Shiny Happy People: Was Bill Gothard A Cult Leader? (#202)⁠

⁠Is "Shiny Happy People" Anti-Religion? (#204)⁠

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Shiny Happy People: Did You “Acquire the Fire”? (#338) Jul 28, 2025

I'm joined again by my dear friend Sarah Lane Ritchie, theologian and scholar of science and religion, for the first of three episodes responding to the new season of Amazon's Shiny Happy People docuseries. This season shifts focus from the Duggar family to Teen Mania—arguably the biggest religious youth phenomenon of the late 20th century with a three-tier pipeline: Acquire the Fire stadium events that functioned like teenage Billy Graham crusades, Global Expeditions mission trips where kids raised thousands to evangelize abroad, and the Honor Academy internship program that took on cult-like characteristics.

Sarah shares her profound personal journey beginning at age 13 at the pivotal "Day One" event with 70,000 attendees at the Pontiac Silverdome just days after Columbine, leading to transformative month-long mission trips to Ghana and Bolivia that shaped her entire academic career.

We examine the sophisticated psychological mechanisms at play—from Durkheimian collective effervescence to high-stakes eternal damnation theology that made extreme actions feel necessary, the integration of Josh Harris's purity culture teachings that redirected teenage sexuality toward spiritual eroticism, and how the apocalyptic urgency created a manufactured crisis that made everything else seem trivial.

This episode sets the stage for deeper dives into Global Expeditions and the troubling Honor Academy cult dynamics in our upcoming conversations, illuminating how spiritual technology shapes young lives in ways that are simultaneously transformative and potentially harmful.

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YHP Episodes on Season 1:

Shiny Happy People: Did Bill Gothard Create Pedophiles? (#198)

Shiny Happy People: Are Children Born Evil? (#200)

Shiny Happy People: Was Bill Gothard A Cult Leader? (#202)

Is "Shiny Happy People" Anti-Religion? (#204)

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The "Middle Path" in Politics & Purity Culture (#337) Jul 21, 2025

Dan kicks off the episode with a new segment, Top of Mind, focused this week on former President Obama’s entry into the discourse around struggles currently faced by men and boys in the US and elsewhere: education, mental health, employment, suicide, overdoses, and identity concerns. He highlights the overlap between main points made by Obama and YHP topics, as well as gender discrepancies in therapy utilization.

Richard Reeves Substack Post⁠

⁠Obama Podcast Appearance⁠

For the main episode, I sit down with Dr. Camden Morgante, licensed psychologist and author of Recovering from Purity Culture, to explore the revolutionary concept of dialectical thinking—finding the "both/and" instead of "either/or"—as an alternative to the black-and-white thinking that dominates evangelical culture, politics, and even purity culture recovery movements.

We dive into practical applications like developing a "values-congruent sexual ethic" that transcends both shame-based purity culture and consent-only frameworks, discuss the real costs of walking the middle path in our polarized world (canceled interviews, lost relationships, professional challenges), and explore how to parent for critical thinking rather than ideological conformity.

This conversation offers essential insights for anyone wrestling with post-evangelical identity, seeking alternatives to political polarization, or curious about how therapeutic wisdom can inform spiritual and ethical development in an age that punishes nuance.

Dr. Camden's Website

Dr. Camden's Book

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A Boyhood Spiritual Experience & Great Religious Films (#336) Jul 17, 2025

In this special "after hours" episode, I dive deep with my friend Chase Willett into the surprising abundance of religious and spiritual themes running through the New York Times' list of the 100 greatest films of the 21st century. We explore how our relationship with spiritually-charged cinema has transformed over the years—from Chase's evangelical need to connect every movie back to Paul's letters, to my own journey of embracing ambiguity and transcendent moments that don't require tidy theological conclusions.

I share one of the most formative spiritual experiences of my life, involving a chance encounter in Stockholm and Richard Linklater's Boyhood, that reshaped how I understand human dignity and God's perspective.

We also discuss spiritual technologies, the nature of transcendent experiences, and begin examining the first category of our 23-film analysis: "Mythic, Fairy Tale and Fantasy Spiritual Allegories," setting up what promises to be a rich exploration of how cinema grapples with questions of meaning and faith.

In the patron-only second half, we dive deeper into The Lord of the Rings and other films in this category, commit to watching The Tree of Life and Grizzly Man before our next conversation, and hint at how our discussion may inevitably touch on contemporary geopolitical events.

NY Times | 100 Best Movies of the 21st Century

Episode #307 | Disability, the Beatitudes & “Changing the World”

Religious/spiritual movies from the NYT list in no particular order:

Interstellar

Lord of the Rings: Fellowship

Past Lives

The Tree of Life

O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Spotlight

The Master

Lady Bird

A Serious Man

A Prophet

Arrival

Spirited Away

No Country for Old Men

Children of Men

There Will Be Blood

Melancholia

Pan’s Labyrinth

Mulholland Drive

Mad Max: Fury Road

Grizzly Man

Yi Yi

Her

Zone of Interest

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Are the Deconstruction Podcasters Okay?! (#335) Jul 14, 2025

A spiritual sequel of sorts to episode #330 on youth pastors, I’m joined by Casey and Sam from the Growing Up Christian Podcast to explore their experiences as ex-vangelicals and the evolution of their faith and show. They discuss the origins of their podcast, the role of humor in navigating serious topics, and the impact of community on their personal beliefs. The conversation delves into the complexities of identity, the challenges faced by the “faith deconstruction” community, and the importance of perspective in understanding their past.

Growing Up Christian Podcast

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GGCH: Josh’s “Baby Blue Collar” Job, Ancient Perspectives & Tony’s Got Lyme (#334) Jul 10, 2025

It’s time for another Generation Gap Culture Hour, where I sit down with Josh Gilbert and Tony Jones to peel back the layers of personal stories, health struggles, and shifting cultural landscapes through a generational and developmental lens. In today’s episode, we kick things off with a candid discussion about living with Lyme disease (sorry Tony).

From there, we trade work-related stories about hustle culture, what work-life balance actually means today, what “baby blue collar” work looks like, and how different age groups think about job loyalty and purpose.

Naturally, we can’t help but wander into the messiness of modern politics — exploring how our personal lives and political identities intertwine, and why nuance and community support feel more crucial than ever.

In the patron-only second half of the episode, starting with an announcement from Josh’s personal life, we go even deeper: discussing the fine line between personal ambition and collective responsibility, the importance of honest conversations in bridging generational divides, and how we can show up for each other in a world that often feels more polarized by the day.

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The Science of Social Connection (#333) Jul 07, 2025

I chat with journalist Julia Hotz about her book The Connection Cure: The Prescriptive Power of Movement, Nature, Art, Service, and Belonging. Julia introduces me to the fascinating world of "social prescribing," where healthcare providers actually prescribe specific social activities (like circus classes, if you're into that sort of thing) rather than just pills or therapy sessions.

We dive into why intrinsic motivation makes all the difference — whether you're there because you genuinely want to be or because someone's making you show up — and how religious spaces naturally deliver many of the connection benefits we're all seeking. The conversation gets particularly interesting when we discuss my social anxiety therapy groups, where I've witnessed firsthand how group therapy can actually outperform individual therapy for certain conditions (and costs a fraction of the price, which should probably be shouted from the rooftops). We explore how 80% of our health outcomes are determined by environmental factors rather than clinical care alone.

By the end, we map out practical ways anyone can create their own social prescriptions — whether it's hitting nature for attention restoration, moving your body for mood boosts, or finding your tribe through shared interests and values.

Julia's Book | The Connection Cure: The Prescriptive Power of Movement, Nature, Art, Service, and Belonging

Julia on Instagram | @Hotzthoughts

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Brian Wilson's Faith & Music (#332) Jun 30, 2025

I'm joined by David Zahl, returning YHP guest and editor-in-chief of Mockingbird's online magazine. David is also a massive Beach Boys/Brian Wilson fan like myself, so I knew he would be perfect to talk with about what we know about Brian Wilson's personal faith and spirituality. We also celebrate what his music has meant to us personally, playing a lot of song clips along the way. This is a dual-feed episode on both the You Have Permission and Pretty Good Vibrations feeds because the content feels like it fits in both places. Brian Wilson passed away on June 11th.

Although my attempt to have a strong line between the first half of the episode (more focused on his faith) and the second (mostly just focused on the music), things got a little blended up. Nonetheless, if you'd like to skip most of the faith/theology stuff, a good place to start listening is around the 60 min mark.

David's piece on Brian

Playlist for today's episode

Beach Boys Mega Tournament PGV episode Part 1

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Live Patron Q&A: Dan's Creative Process, Clergy Abuse (Preview) Jun 26, 2025

Last week I hosted a Q&A session for You Have Permission Patreon subscribers, and we had a great time! Topics included:

Christianity's anthropological influence on Western culture
How Christian principles have shaped secular humanism and individual rights movements
Dan's experience working his first sustained nine-to-five schedule and with college-aged clients
How spiritual abuse research specifically affects clergy members rather than just congregants, touching on concepts like "burn through" versus burnout in organizational structures that may make religious institutions unsustainable for their workers.

We had a great time and plan to do more of these in the future. Enjoy the recording and stay tuned for the next!

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New Michael Tait Allegations & David Zahl on Grace (#331) Jun 23, 2025

Joy Vetterlein joins me at the top of the episode to discuss the latest round of allegations against Michael Tait, and our evolving reactions and perspectives through this ongoing story.

After that update, David Zahl joins me to discuss his new book The Big Relief and his take on grace as Christianity's most radical contribution to the world. We dig into the Lutheran distinction between law and grace, connecting it to Carl Rogers' unconditional positive regard and examining how contemporary culture often delivers moral instruction without the container of acceptance that makes change possible. Dave argues that whether it's progressive activism or conservative piety, we're often just "shouting at people to change and then resenting them when they don't," while true transformation happens when people feel safe enough to be vulnerable.

We explore evidence for divine grace through romantic love, recovery programs, and those surprising moments when someone sees us at our worst and chooses to stay. We also get beautifully sidetracked by our mutual obsession with Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys as examples of pure gift.

In the end, we're all just looking to be accepted exactly as we are.

www.christchurchcville.org/david-zahl

Highlights

35:58 The Role of Therapy in Grace

44:47 The Absence of Grace in Socio-Political Discourse

51:49 The Concept of Divine Acceptance

1:05:57 The Burden of Performance and Conditionality

1:10:47 Experiencing Belonging and Grace

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Are the Youth Pastors Okay?! (#330) Jun 16, 2025

In this episode of You Have Permission, I'm checking in with youth pastors to see how they're really doing—and the answer is, “Not great.” My guest Joel Foster, who serves at University Church on Pepperdine's campus, argues that today's youth ministers are working with the most anxious and depressed generation of teenagers ever, but lack the tools and training to handle what they're facing. We explore uncomfortable questions about who's entering the field and why, the psychological toll of carrying students' crises without proper support systems, and whether traditional youth ministry approaches still work for today's kids. Joel opens up about late-night crisis calls, the gap between what this emotionally intensive work requires and what people are actually trained for, and the creative solutions he's developed to support fellow youth ministers.

Whether you're in youth ministry, have teenagers in your life, or are curious about how we're caring for the next generation, this conversation offers crucial insights into a field under pressure and what young people actually need from the adults in their lives.

Highlights

05:46 Stereotypes of Youth Ministers

15:05 Mental Health and Youth Ministry

30:56 Understanding Adolescent Development

47:21 Challenges Faced by Youth Ministers

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Live From Beer Camp with Daryl Van Tongeren (#329) Jun 09, 2025

This special live episode was recorded with one of the pod’s favorite friends, Daryl Van Tongeren, back in October at Theology Beer Camp.

We talked about how people make faith decisions without definitive proof, based partially on William James' concept of "will to believe." After we establish that Christianity can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt in our pluralistic age, we get into James's framework for "genuine options"—choices that are live, forced, and momentous.

Daryl explains the cognitive biases that make certainty impossible, and how James suggests we can reasonably consider pragmatic evidence when metaphysical questions remain unanswerable. We also get into some personal stories, with Daryl sharing how one inexplicable college experience survived his decade-long deconstruction after his brother's tragic death.

This was an intellectual yet practical conversation about how we can learn and choose how to live thoughtfully with uncertainty.

Other episodes with Daryl:

The Good of Religion Without the Bad

You Are Not Your Beliefs

Come to Theology Beer Camp 2025 in St. Paul, Minneasota!

Highlights

01:49 The Challenge of Proving Christianity

09:00 William James and Genuine Options

21:11 The Evolutionary Perspective on Meaning

42:15 The Role of Evidence in Belief

50:25 Living with Uncertainty

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Michael Tait (dc Talk/Newsboys) Sexual Assault Allegations (#328) Jun 05, 2025

This emergency podcast responds to a new Roys Report article alleging sexual assault by Michael Tait of dc Talk and Newsboys, with my guest Tyson Motsenbocker joining to discuss both the details and broader issues at play, given our respective experiences within the Christian music world. We discuss the culture of secrecy, power imbalances, "adolescent" male culture, and normalization of predatory behavior in Christian music circles—issues that echo longstanding problems in both religious and secular music industries. I tell some horror stories from my early touring days on the Vans Warped Tour, and we connect this scandal to my research on spiritual abuse and religious trauma.

The article: https://julieroys.com/former-newsboys-frontman-michael-tait-accused-sexual-assault-grooming-substance-abuse-dating-back-to-2004/

Tyson's music: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5zhKRxsS4pRPhkO6vbE07u

Tyson's book: https://www.tysonmotsenbocker.com/shop/where-the-waves-turn-back

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GGCH: Josh’s 1st Home, Cannabis & Gen Z Religion (#327) Jun 02, 2025

It’s time for another Generation Gap Culture Hour, where I sit down with Josh Gilbert and Tony Jones to unpack everything from personal stories to shifting generational trends. In today’s episode, we kick things off by exploring my evolving relationship with cannabis and the lingering stigma that still surrounds its use. From there, we dive into the joys and headaches of homeownership as a way of celebrating Josh and his partner Emily’s first home purchase—comparing notes on which tools are actually worth investing in and which ones just collect dust.

Later, we look at the shifting landscape of religion and politics, especially how Gen Z is reimagining both faith and civic engagement in ways that often surprise older generations. And of course, we couldn’t avoid discussing the impact of COVID-19—how it reshaped our sense of community, morality, and what we expect from each other socially. I share how many of my college student therapy clients have mentioned the timing of Covid-era lockdowns as having affected their social skills development.

In the patron-only second half of the episode, we go even deeper, focusing on how Gen Z is navigating political disillusionment, their renewed interest in spirituality, and what all of this might mean for the future of activism and trust in institutions.

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Finding and Leaving “Exvangelical Ministry” (#326) May 26, 2025

In this roundtable conversation, I reconnect with Joy Vetterlein and Jon Steingard (former Hawk Nelson frontman) to explore their parallel journeys of leaving Christian ministry contexts, building public platforms around their deconstruction experiences, and then making the countercultural decision to step back from that public work entirely.

Both guests candidly discuss the complex motivations behind their initial platform-building—Jon's ingrained need for attention from his band years, Joy's readiness to stop letting others take credit for her best work—and the financial realities that made sustainability difficult. The conversation reveals how both discovered that the deconstruction community, initially appealing for its theological openness, developed its own orthodoxies and mob dynamics that felt uncomfortably similar to the evangelical culture they'd left.

Ultimately, both chose privacy and continued growth over platform maintenance, recognizing the hidden costs of public work on family relationships and personal development. Their stories offer a rare glimpse into the decision to pull back from influence and attention in a culture obsessed with building platforms and growing audiences.

Previous Episodes:

I Don't Believe in that God: Jon Steingard (#75)

I Don't Believe in That God: Joy Vetterlein (#230)

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How Did Biblical Characters Experience the World? (#325) May 19, 2025

My dear friend Ben Bishop, author of The Garden House Substack, joins me to discuss how fiction can help us imagine how people from different times and places experienced the divine, particularly through the novels of Frederick Buechner.

Listeners don't need to have read these works to follow our conversation—there are "no quizzes" here. Rather, Buechner’s function helps us strip away our accumulated religious assumptions. When we read biblical stories today, we're receiving them after thousands of years of theological interpretation, but Buechner helps us imagine what it felt like to be Jacob or Isaac in the moment—not as figures who knew they were part of some grand biblical narrative, but as people experiencing strange, terrifying, and wonderful encounters with the divine in real-time. Through his storytelling, we confront both the "offensiveness and the beauty and wonder of those stories" in ways that theoretical discussions simply cannot achieve, making ancient faith experiences immediate and visceral.

In the Patreon-exclusive second half, Ben and I discuss our shared adolescent experiences with Christian punk rock, its influence on our sociopolitics, social lives, and faith development.

Ben's Substack

Ben's pieces mentioned:

The Light Shines in the Darkness

Straight On Til Morning

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The First American Pope (#324) May 13, 2025

I’m joined by my longtime friend Joe Rose, a partner at the law firm Gibson Dunn, for a wide-ranging and grounded conversation on the selection of Pope Leo XIV, the first ever American pope. We explore his background, reflect on the legacy of Pope Francis, and discuss possible downstream effects of Pope Leo’s ties to the Augustinian order. Along the way, we talk about grace, the ongoing relevance of Catholic Social Teaching, and how the papacy continues to shape the everyday spiritual lives of Catholics around the world, including Joe’s personal faith. Whether you’re Catholic or not, this episode offers insight into how tradition, global leadership, and theological nuance intersect in what is probably the world’s most influential faith community.

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Religious Trauma & Worldview Change (#323) May 05, 2025

Sara Showalter Van Tongeren is a licensed clinical social worker and therapist (and happens to be the wife of frequent pod guest Darrell Van Tongeren). She joins me to discuss religious trauma, spiritual abuse, and the process of religious belief change — areas where both Sara and I work with clients professionally.

Sarah explains that for many, religion answers fundamental existential questions about freedom, identity, isolation, death, and meaning. When religious certainty is shaken, this leaves people without tools to address these questions and creates a crisis of meaning. We discuss the importance of developing "existential resilience" — the ability to navigate uncertainty and both light and dark aspects of existence after leaving religious frameworks.

In the Patreon second half, we discuss embodiment in healing religious trauma, rebuilding meaning systems, and how therapeutic relationships can model healthy patterns of rupture and repair lacking in many religious contexts.

My instagram: @theexistentialtherapist

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sara-showalter-van-tongeren

Group Practice Website: https://www.theflourishingco.org/

My website (no shoes): https://saravantongeren.com/

Therapist Centered Group Consultation: https://www.therapeuticgroupconsultation.com/videos

Everett Worthington's work on Forgiveness with free handbook/resources: https://www.evworthington-forgiveness.com/diy-workbooks

Highlights:

09:46 The Fluidity of Religious Trauma

14:50 Existential Questions and Religious Beliefs

24:55 Resilience in the Face of Spiritual Abuse

30:11 Coping Mechanisms and Grounding Techniques

43:30 Fighting Back with Cognitive Therapy

50:40 The Importance of Community in Healing

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How College Students Are Finding Meaning (#322) Apr 28, 2025

In today's episode, I reconnect with Jim Wellman from the University of Washington to discuss his fascinating undergraduate course, "A Life Worth Living." We explore how Jim guides students through fundamental questions of meaning and purpose that are often neglected in contemporary education. Jim shares touching stories of student transformations and we reflect on our own spiritual journeys—his recent reconnection with Christianity and my parallel work as a therapist addressing similar existential questions. We discuss Lisa Miller's research on spirituality's neurological benefits, Kantian ethics, and Tom Holland's thesis that Christian values underpin even progressive movements.

Throughout our conversation runs a shared concern: in a consumer-oriented culture that "flattens" human experience, how can we cultivate deeper sources of meaning? This conversation felt like a vintage episode—intellectually rich yet deeply personal.

Previous Episode with Jim:

The Surprising Value of Megachurches (#95)

Highlights

10:05 Exploring Meaning and Identity in Students

27:04 The Intersection of Spirituality and Science

44:15 Ethical and Moral Development in Education

01:00:00 Cross-Cultural Literacy and Understanding

01:08:29 Human Flourishing and Its Importance

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Pope Francis & Listener Survey Results (#321) Apr 24, 2025

I grabbed my teammates Josh and Joy for a bonus, impromptu mid-week episode on our real-time reaction to the news of Pope Francis passing, some general updates about the pod, and to talk through the results of our listener survey (with some more specific analysis for the Patreon community).

What do you think of the results? Do you agree? Disagree? Let us know! ___________________________________________

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Still Christian: “Unbelievable” Host Justin Brierly (#320) Apr 21, 2025

In this episode, I sit down with Justin Brierley, former host of the UK-based show Unbelievable to discuss his book Why I'm Still a Christian and explore questions of faith, doubt, and religious identity.

I share my struggles with Christianity in the current American context, particularly with the rise of Christian nationalism, while Justin offers his perspective from across the pond. We discuss Justin's approach of facilitating respectful dialogue across different perspectives, something increasingly rare in our polarized media landscape. We explore the distinction between general theism and specific Christian claims, with me expressing greater confidence in theism broadly than in particular Christian doctrines like the resurrection. Justin shares how his faith incorporates both intellectual and experiential dimensions, citing C.S. Lewis's journey from philosophical theism to Christianity.

Though we run out of time before covering all the arguments in Justin's book, our conversation exemplifies the kind of thoughtful, nuanced dialogue about religion that both of us value.

Justin's Linktree | linktr.ee/JustinBrierley

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Where Should YHP Go Next? (#319) Apr 14, 2025

I bring in my team members Josh Gilbert and Joy Vetterlein to check in on the state of You Have Permission and brainstorm future content directions.

We want your input too… take the YHP poll here to let us know what you want to hear in coming days!

I begin by explaining my reduced presence over the past eight months due to my demanding psychology internship (a necessary step toward licensure) and share how YHP's focus has evolved beyond evangelicalism toward broader explorations of psychology, religion, and their cultural manifestations.

Then, I have Josh break out the timer and we walk through nine potential miniseries concepts including Centering Prayer, TV/Movie Analysis, Therapy Modalities, Modern Perspectives on Central Christian Claims, and Theories of Religion series we jokingly dub "Call Him Sky-Daddy."

In the patron-only section, the conversation wanders through political jokes, television

P recommendations and friendly banter covering a mini-therapy session for Joy’s fear of appearing on podcasts, Josh's appreciation for Jesus's teaching about removing the log from one's own eye first, and my dissertation defense (which I'd completed that very day).

We love making You Have Permission and we’re excited to keep making the show with input from you here… so we hope you can take 4-5 minutes and share your preferences now!

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Narcissism Part 2 with Chuck DeGroat (#318) Apr 07, 2025

I welcome back psychologist Dr. Chuck DeGroat to continue our discussion on narcissism in religious settings that we began in this episode in February. After recapping our previous conversation about the development and manifestation of narcissism in church systems, we discuss a troubling trend in conservative Christian circles: the demonization of empathy.

Chuck expresses bewilderment at this rhetoric, suggesting it functions as "an apologetic for apathy" and reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of healthy, differentiated empathy. We distinguish between losing oneself in others' emotions (undifferentiated empathy) versus maintaining healthy boundaries while connecting (differentiated empathy), noting that the critics have created a caricature of empathy as completely ungrounded. This trend is particularly concerning since low empathy is a hallmark trait of narcissism, potentially creating environments where narcissistic leadership flourishes undetected or is even rewarded.

The majority of our conversation happens in the Patreon-only portion, where we explore different types of empathy, and discuss the challenges of identifying narcissistic leaders during hiring processes. We also examine whether power in church settings inevitably leads to narcissism, analyze parallels between narcissistic family systems and church communities, and address what individuals should do when they recognize narcissistic leadership in their church—with Chuck emphasizing the importance of therapy and preparation before any confrontation.

Previous Episode with Chuck:

All About Narcissism (#309)

Chuck's Website | Chuckdegroat.net

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Church Trauma and Spiritual “Knowledge” (#317) Mar 31, 2025

In this powerful return conversation with Heather Griffin, I revisit our popular "Mount Rushmore" of evangelical epistemology concepts: knowledge is easy, Bible facts, sincerity culture, and sanctified common sense. Heather shares her devastating experiences advocating for abuse survivors within the Anglican Church of North America (ACNA), revealing how institutional structures that appear to provide accountability often fail catastrophically. She describes the ACNA's unique problems where bishops operate with little oversight while clergy take vows of obedience, creating a system where speaking out against abuse can end a priest's career.

The conversation takes a deeply personal turn as Heather recounts her husband Paul's near-death experience and the beautiful community response that surrounded them—creating a painful contrast with how that same community has failed abuse survivors. Heather's story highlights how even good people who demonstrate Christ-like love in crisis can become complicit in institutional failure when confronting systemic abuse, raising profound questions about spiritual transformation and institutional integrity.

In the second patron-only half of the episode, Heather details her disillusionment with Christian leadership after experiencing narcissistic abuse from a bishop she trusted, explores her crisis of faith in light of these betrayals, and reflects on finding new pathways to spiritual connection despite her profound grief and disappointment.

Previous Episode with Heather | “Bible Truths,” “Sanctified Common Sense,” & “Evangelical Insta-Trust: (#123)

Highlights

12:26 Advocacy Work and Institutional Breakdown

24:19 Challenges within the Anglican Church of North America

45:05 Navigating Spiritual Abuse and Betrayal

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Redefining Success with John Mark McMillan & Thomas Torrey (#316) Mar 24, 2025

In this episode of You Have Permission, I speak with indie Christian recording artist John Mark McMillan and filmmaker Thomas Torrey about Thomas's film "Long December," which explores the story of a musician facing the painful question of when to let go of creative dreams. Thomas shares how the film emerged from his own career crisis when a major project collapsed during COVID, while John Mark reflects on his journey from simply wanting to "pay bills playing music" to desiring Grammy nominations. We explore the psychology behind creative ambition, discussing core beliefs about success, the importance of defining what "arrival" looks like rather than chasing moving targets, and the stoic philosophy that "the work has to be the reward." We wrestle with how identity becomes entangled with creative pursuits and the challenge of finding meaning and contentment whether or not our dreams materialize as we initially imagined.

Long December Film | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17633766/

John Mark McMillan's Music | https://open.spotify.com/artist/0T1KC0OHfbRO0O5bNH2tek?si=aj6GHoLIRxmLD0Un5XQf6w

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How Psychology has Changed our Faith (#315) Mar 17, 2025

Laird Edman, Myron Penner, and Kristen Tideman join me to talk about how psychological science has transformed our faith. We discuss how the cognitive science of religion has allowed us to hold theological claims with an open hand while deepening our appreciation for religious practice. Myron discovers that seeing religion as human-made deepens his compassion for believers of all kinds while Kristen's academic journey transforms her from would-be apologist to humble truth-seeker. Laird explains how efforts to 'debunk' religion actually strengthened his faith, and I reveal the counterintuitive way my research on spiritual abuse reinforced my appreciation for religious community. Our conversation weaves through topics including post-hoc justifications for behavior, religious anxiety, church community, and the natural human propensity for spiritual experience—ultimately showing how psychological understanding can enrich rather than diminish religious life.

In the second Patron-only half of the conversation, we discussed church community, intergenerational relationships, embodied cognition, and the evolution of agency detection mechanisms.

Highlights:

02:52 Cognitive Science of Religion: Understanding Belief

12:07 Psychological Insights and Spiritual Growth

21:08 Religion as a Human Construct

41:19 The Role of Humility in Belief Systems

YHP Episodes Mentioned:

Episode 288 | Dan Made His Own Enneagram

Episode 253 | Still Christian & Way Humble About It!

Episode 191 | All About Ritual (with Laird Edmund)

Episode 80 | Myron is a Demon Skeptic (with Myron Penner)

Episode 41 | Cognitive Science & Religious Belief (For Beginners) (with Myron Penner)

Episode 39 | Psychedelics & Other "Spiritual Technologies" (with Sarah Lane Ritchie)

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Stoicism, Virtues & Founding Fathers (#314) Mar 10, 2025

In this episode, Dan sits down with legal scholar and author Jeffrey Rosen to discuss his book The Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined America. Starting from Rosen's background as a secular Jew who studied Puritan theology at Harvard, the conversation weaves through classical virtues and their relevance today to the American founders' surprisingly ecumenical approach to religion and morality. They explore the tension between Christian concepts of perfect holiness and classical virtue ethics' focus on finding the golden mean, with Rosen even sharing a song he wrote to help remember Aristotle's virtue framework. The discussion reveals how the founders were more interested in finding common ground between different wisdom traditions than enforcing rigid doctrine, leading to insights about religious freedom and the First Amendment. Throughout, they examine how ancient ideas about self-mastery and virtue remain relevant for navigating our modern pluralistic world, with practical applications from Benjamin Franklin's virtue journaling as well as contemporary approaches to living well.

Highlights

19:56 The Power of the Mind and Self-Mastery

27:35 Exploring Classical Virtues

34:17 The Golden Mean and Emotional Moderation

47:04 Navigating Pluralism and Moral Flexibility

52:23 The Founders' Vision of Virtue and Freedom

Jeffery's New Book | The Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined

Jeffery on X | @Rosenjeffrey

Books Mentioned:

My Voice Will Go With You

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Still Christian, Still Hardcore (#313) Mar 03, 2025

In this episode, I talk with Stephen Keech, frontman of metalcore band Haste the Day, about maintaining Christian faith in a scene where many have moved away from religious identification. Stephen shares his journey from rigid evangelical beliefs to a more nuanced, "malleable" faith that has allowed him to adapt while keeping his core convictions. We explore why Christian bands thrived in heavy music (the natural synergy between spiritual warfare themes and metal's intensity), the market forces that initially pushed bands to identify as "Christian," and the judgmental culture that drove many artists away. Stephen discusses his transformative encounters that challenged his inherited viewpoints, his shift toward Eastern Orthodox theology, and how fatherhood redefined his purpose after leaving the "ministry platform" of being in a Christian band. Throughout, we examine what it means to be "Christ-like" in today's polarized world while acknowledging the complexity of maintaining faith in creative spaces increasingly skeptical of Christianity.

Stephen's Website | Stephenkeech.com

Stephen on Instagram | @stephenkeech

Episode Mentioned:

Episode #118 | I Don't Believe in that God: Joey Holman

Episode #139 | Christian Heavy Music: Theology, Attachment, Power

Highlights:

02:58 The Evolution of Christian Metalcore

11:52 The Tension Between Faith and Performance

23:57 The Malleability of Faith

51:00 Experiential Faith: Tent Poles vs. Picket Fences

01:09:48 The Moral Dilemma of Modern Christianity

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“Woo” Spirituality & Comedy (#312) Feb 24, 2025

Comedian Jenny Zigrino joins me to discuss comedy and mystical spirituality. Drawing from her background in Reform Judaism and early exposure to yoga, Jenny articulated how she combines traditional religious practices with what she calls "woo" elements like moon rituals and meditation. We discussed the relationship between scientific and spiritual frameworks, with Jenny making interesting arguments about celestial influences on human behavior and challenging my skepticism about astrology with observations about the moon's documented effects on Earth. The conversation took a more personal turn when she shared about her sister's passing, leading to thoughtful reflections on how people use spiritual frameworks to process loss and find meaning in tragedy.

The Patron-only second half of our conversation centered on a detailed exploration of tarot cards, including a live reading for my podcast's future, as well as a broader philosophical discussion about consciousness, death, and the limits of human knowledge.

Highlights:

08:48 Exploring Reform Judaism and Spiritual Practices

14:45 Understanding Tarot and Its Therapeutic Value

19:02 The Influence of Religion on Personal Beliefs

26:13 The Nature of God and Suffering

Jenny's Website | Jennyzigrino.com

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Religion & Sports (Gods and GOATS) (#311) Feb 17, 2025

In this third appearance on You Have Permission, Dr. Terry Shoemaker of Arizona State University joins me to discuss the parallels between religion and sports as described in his new book Religion and Sports: The Basics. We look at four key parallels between religious and athletic life: rituals, devotions, identities, and communities. From early morning Arsenal fan gatherings to how families connect through college football despite tense religious differences, we unpack how sports can serve many of the same social and psychological functions as traditional religion — often with lower stakes. With the similarities of how sports and religion both create calendrical rhythms, foster community bonds, create transcendent experiences, and require devotion, sports offer unique opportunities for connection across ideological divides.

Highlights

05:49 Rituals in Sports and Religion

11:49 The Role of Identity in Sports Fandom

28:45 The Power of Community in Sports

42:12 Devotion: Sports as a Modern Religion

Terry's Book on Sports | Religions and Sports: The Basics

Terry's Faculty Page

Terry's Amazon Book Page

Dan's Substack Piece | In Defense of Sports

Past Episodes with Terry:

To Escape "Culture War Christianity" (#16)

Who Are the "Spiritual But Not Religious"? (#82)

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The (Spiritual) World is Not Fair (#310) Feb 10, 2025

In this episode, philosopher Michelle Panchuk joins me to discuss the "just world hypothesis" — the belief that people get what they deserve in life, similar to karma. Michelle, whose early scholarly work on spiritual abuse helped inform my own research on measuring spiritual abuse, shares how the just world hypothesis can subtly infiltrate spiritual teachings with the belief that God will always offer a sense of His presence during difficult times — implying that those who don't feel God's presence must be spiritually deficient.

This creates what Michelle calls a "spiritual version" of the just world hypothesis, adding layers of shame and self-doubt to existing suffering. Particularly harmful for survivors of spiritual abuse, this belief contradicts historical accounts of devoted believers experiencing spiritual darkness.

In the patron-only second half, we explore the neurobiology of spiritual experience and how spiritual abuse impacts both religious practice and critical thinking.

Michelle's Faculty Page

Highlights

02:53 The Just World Hypothesis Explained

08:57 God's Silence and Spiritual Relationship

17:46 The Uneven Distribution of Spiritual Experiences

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All About Narcissism (#309) Feb 03, 2025

In this episode, I sat down with Chuck DeGroat, known for his work on narcissism in church contexts, for a wide-ranging conversation about the intersection of narcissistic patterns and religious communities. Chuck shared insights from his clinical experience about how narcissism often emerges as a trauma response and explained the crucial distinction between narcissistic tendencies and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. We explored how narcissistic leadership patterns can manifest across the theological spectrum, from conservative to progressive spaces, and how congregations adopt collective defensive postures that both attract and reinforce narcissistic leadership styles. Using Mars Hill Church as a case study, we examined how an "at war with culture" mentality can drive church growth while simultaneously undermining empathy and authentic community engagement. The conversation concluded with a rich exploration of psychological and theological integration, drawing parallels between Internal Family Systems therapy and how different religious traditions handle internal contradictions. This discussion proved so fruitful that we've planned a follow-up episode focusing specifically on spiritual harm and abuse, which will be available to Patreon subscribers.

Chucks Website | Chuckdegroat.net

Episodes Mentioned:

Episode #187 with Molly Lacroix | Un-Shaming Each Part of Ourselves

Highlights:

11:20 Narcissism in Church Communities

24:33 Theological Connections Between Empathy and Narcissism

32:34 Narcissism and Church Dynamics

43:30 Spiritual Abuse and Community Dynamics

50:35 Integration and Multiplicity in Spirituality

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GGCH: Best of 2024 & Celebrities Getting Christ-curious (#308) Jan 27, 2025

It’s time for another Generation Gap Culture Hour where I sit down with Josh Gilbert and Tony Jones to talk about current culture from across our 20-year age perspectives.

In today’s episode we talk about:

How bands I toured with on the Warped Tour are now featuring at venues reserved for “legacy acts.” 👀
Band merchandise etiquette, including one very cringe story from Tony
Current events including Trump’s presidency and the TikTok ban
The absurdity of long URLs in podcast advertising
Institutions and outdated social media practices
Our favorite media of 2024: books about burnout culture, Korean War fighter pilots, and the fall of the Roman Empire

In the patron-only second half, we get more in-depth discussing Joe Rogan's recent interactions with Christian figures, and examining the intersection of apologetics, early Christian history, and religious experience.

Highlights:

05:45 Political Concerns and TikTok Ban Discussions

14:47 Dude Lit, Books, Movies & TV Shows of the Year

23:53 Joe Rogan's Cultural Impact and Christianity

Best of Book:

Byung-Chul Han: A Critical Introduction (Josh)

The Hunters by James Salter (Dan)

We Were Soldiers Once... and Young (Tony)

Best of Series/TV Show:

Ripley (Dan)

Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey (Tony)

Presumed Innocent (Josh)

Best of Movie:

A Complete Unknown (Dan)

Dune 2 (Tony)

We Live in Time (Josh)

Dan's Year End Mixes:

Rock - Spotify

Rock - Apple Music

Pop - Spotify

Pop- Apple Music

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Disability, the Beatitudes & “Changing the World” (#307) Jan 20, 2025

I sat down with Micha Boyett, author of Blessed Are the Rest of Us and host of The Slow Way podcast, to explore the tension between millennial evangelical dreams and the realities of modern parenthood. We dove into how our generation's almost cinematic vision of "changing the world" manifested through movements like Invisible Children, Shane Claiborne's work, and TOMS Shoes – a fascinating confluence of entrepreneurship and world-saving ambitions. Micha shared her journey from being a 13-year-old Southern Baptist girl with limited ministry options to navigating suburban motherhood and raising a child with both Down syndrome and autism. We discussed how her experience has transformed her understanding of meaning, purpose, and what it means to live a life of impact.

In the Patron-only second half, our conversation deepens into questions of disability, human value, and finding new meaning in the Beatitudes.

Micha's Instagram | @michaboyett

Ace's Instagram | @acefaceismyfriend

Highlights:

04:54 Generational Expectations and Identity

20:13 The Complexity of Disability in Society

30:04 Anxiety and Parenting Challenges

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Dan is Getting Libertarian-Curious (#306) Jan 13, 2025

In this timely conversation with returning guest Bonnie Kristian, we explore libertarianism and its evolving role in today's political landscape. Moving beyond the dated "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" cliché, we discuss how true libertarianism centers on skepticism of government power, while distinguishing it from a newer "folk libertarianism" emerging among younger Americans. Bonnie helps clarify how traditional libertarians focus specifically on limiting state power and coercion, whereas this new wave represents more of a cultural backlash against elite institutions. Through our discussion of government intervention, institutional trust, and policy, we explore the challenge of maintaining necessary social structures while remaining appropriately skeptical of institutional overreach. This conversation illuminates why different forms of libertarian thinking are resonating with many Americans today, while helping me better understand my own evolving thoughts on these complex issues.

Highlights

03:28 Understanding Libertarian Identity

09:59 Election Results and Libertarian Impulses

18:43 Therapy, Psychology, and Libertarianism

25:18 Resource Distribution and the Veil of Ignorance

35:30 Trust in Institutions vs. Individual Thinkers

Bonnie's Substack | Bonniekristian.substack.com

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Episode 21 | To Consider Inerrancy, Infallibility & Inspiration

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“Is It True?” vs. “Does It Work?” (#305) Jan 06, 2025

Turn your brains on for a fascinating conversation with scholar and author Tara Isabella Burton (Self Made, Strange Rites, Social Creature) about one of the core tensions in modern spirituality: does it matter more if a religious or spiritual practice works, or if it's true? Drawing from my experience as a therapist and Tara's background in theology, we explore how this plays out in everything from manifesting culture to ancient religious practices. I share my more pragmatic perspective, focused on what actually helps people in therapeutic settings, while Tara makes a compelling case for why we can't separate spiritual practices from their truth claims. We dig into the placebo effect, positive thinking, the limits of pure pragmatism, and whether spiritual practices might "work" precisely because they align with deeper truths about reality. It's a nuanced discussion that challenges both pure pragmatism and rigid orthodoxy, suggesting these seemingly opposing views might actually complement each other in surprising ways.

Tara's New Book | Here in Avalon

Tara's Website | Taraisabellaburton.com

Highlights

12:10 Modern Spirituality and Individualism

21:05 The Intersection of Faith and Truth

30:12 Pragmatism in Therapy and Spirituality

45:03 The Pursuit of Happiness and Material Success

01:07:10 Exploring the Tension Between Ancient and Modern Wisdom

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Religion, Humor & Therapy (#304) Dec 30, 2024

Spencer Bland joins me to discuss his journey through various Christian denominations as a southern-based comedian who now takes a more open-ended approach to spirituality. We explore how he uses his religious background as source material for his comedy, including a hilarious story about a demon named Kyle, while maintaining a thoughtful and nuanced perspective that honors personal experience rather than broad critique. Our discussion brings up the parallels between comedy and therapy as tools for processing religious experiences and how humor can help acknowledge both the absurdity and significance of our past.

Spencer's Instagram | @spencerspicy

Highlights

08:57 The Role of Humor in Religion

17:49 The Intersection of Comedy and Religion

31:02 From Pastor to Comedian

54:54 Healing from Religious Trauma

01:10:07 Reflections on Mission Trips and Cultural Christianity

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Authoritative vs. Nurturant Religion (Re-Broadcast) Dec 23, 2024

Around Christmas, we often rebroadcast a favorite episode. This year, we’re revisiting an episode about nurturant versus authoritarian religion, one of my personal favorites and a listener favorite too. It’s especially relevant now as many of us reflect on family dynamics over the holidays—parenting, upbringing, and how we think about God. The episode is both practical and theoretical, with insights for parents and anyone thinking about their own childhood.

Original Show Notes:

John Sanders joins me to drop one of the single most helpful distinctions I have ever heard in discussions of religion and culture. His identification and explanation of Nurturant and Authoritative approaches to religion, politics, parenting, and more has been kicking around my head daily for 6 weeks now. You should not skip this episode. And you should probably support indie publishers and buy his book Embracing Prodigals

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5 Election Takeaways w/Kristen Tideman (#303) Dec 16, 2024

Over breakfast in San Diego, I sat down with returning guest Kristen Tideman to analyze the 2024 presidential election through fresh eyes. Drawing from a 15-speaker mega-panel Kristen had just attended at the American Academy of Religion conference, we explored several alternative frameworks for understanding the election results. We discussed the concept of "vibes-based voting" using David French's curling analogy, which suggests voter sentiment (like a curling stone) can only be marginally influenced by campaigns. This led us to examine how feelings about the economy, nostalgia, and desire for change played a bigger role than explicit policy positions. We challenged the prevailing white Christian nationalism narrative by looking at immigrant voting patterns, and explored Trump's appeal as an "avatar of hope" for voters frustrated with cultural constraints. In the Patron-only second half, we delved into identity politics, anti-elite sentiment, and potential voting reforms. While more political coverage surely lies ahead, this conversation helped foster greater understanding of how we arrived at these results.

Kristen's Company Website | tidycocreative.com

Highlights

04:20 The Impact of Politics on Daily Life

09:42 What is “Vibes-Based Voting?”

16:10 Beyond White Christian Nationalism

25:14 Trump as an Avatar of Hope

34:11 The Role of Identity in Politics

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Progressive Theology in the Black Church (#302) Dec 09, 2024

In this episode, I speak with Kristian Smith, a fifth-generation Baptist preacher doing groundbreaking work at the intersection of Black church traditions and progressive theology. While many white religious deconstruction journeys (including my own) focus primarily on intellectual and theological questions, Kristian explains how Black church deconstruction involves much deeper communal and embodied dimensions. The Black church has historically served as more than just a religious institution—it's been the heart of Black community life and one of the few spaces where Black Americans could gather with true autonomy. Kristian offers a fascinating framework that separates spirituality from theology, arguing that while Black church spirituality (including its emotional expressiveness, music, and communal experience) has direct links to African spiritual traditions, its theology was largely borrowed from white evangelicalism. His work focuses on preserving these life-giving cultural and spiritual elements while developing new theological frameworks that better serve people's full humanity. Our conversation opened my eyes to the unique dynamics within Black Christian communities and the diverse ways people experience faith transitions, particularly when religious identity is deeply intertwined with cultural preservation and community belonging.

Kristian's Instagram | @kristiansmith

Kristian's Podcast | Holy Smokes: Cigars and Spirituality

Highlights

09:05 The Emotional Weight of Leaving the Black Church

18:06 The Disconnect Between Black and White Deconstruction Spaces

30:00 Progressive Theology and the Black Church

44:56 The Vision for a Progressive Black Church

52:36 Navigating Leadership Dynamics in Multicultural Spaces

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Raising Spiritually Healthy Kids (#301) Dec 02, 2024

Jon Ogden, co-founder of Uplift Kids, joined me to talk about navigating spiritual parenting in ways that prevent religious trauma. As a father of two young children, and someone who frequently references Dr. Lisa Miller's research on child spirituality and mental health, I was particularly interested in Uplift's approach. Jon explained their model of combining internal guidance with modern science and ancient wisdom from a variety of traditions, moving beyond simplistic "follow your heart" messaging. We explored how parents can't simply transfer their mature spiritual understanding to children, who must undergo their own developmental journey. I found their developmentally-appropriate framework promising for helping children build a foundation that can withstand future questioning without causing a spiritual crisis. Our patron-only segment covered post-secularism, concerning trends in youth meaninglessness, and the importance of balanced virtue ethics.

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Highlights:

02:59 The Role of Spirituality in Child Development

12:00 The Process of Spiritual Development

18:13 The Inner Compass: Guiding Children in Life

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GGCH: 300th Episode Party (#300) Nov 25, 2024

For our 300th episode, Josh, Tony and I get together for another Generation Gap Culture Hour. We reflect on our recent Beer Camp adventures (including an unexpected AirBnb mystery guest) before diving into cultural analysis of the Tyson-Paul fight and our changing relationships with political media consumption. We explore how each of us is processing post-election coverage differently — from my focus on constructive analysis to Josh abandoning his NPR habits to Tony's insights from conversations with his adult children. The discussion highlights the privilege of academic distance while examining how to balance staying informed with mental health. The Patron-only second half includes deeper dives into progressive Christianity, academic discourse, and Joe Rogan's shifting stance on spirituality.

Highlights:

06:14 Would You Rather: Podcasting Dilemmas

14:56 Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul: A Cultural Commentary

20:52 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions

38:50 Political Perspectives and Siloed Views

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Wonder As an Antidote to Religious Trauma (#298) Nov 18, 2024

Writer Sarah Southern joins me to share her deconstruction journey from fundamentalism to freedom. Sarah shares how her initial process was paralyzed by the infinite stakes of questioning faith, until wonder—particularly through Colorado's mountains—offered an unexpected path forward. Drawing on Abraham Heschel's wisdom about wonder as the foundation of religious experience, Sarah found that direct encounters with natural beauty provided a way to remain spiritually engaged while processing religious trauma. Rather than requiring doctrinal certainty, this approach created space for authentic exploration through direct experience of the sacred. For Patrons, our conversation continues with Sarah's travels to Salzburg and Japan, exploring how different cultural and religious traditions can expand our spiritual horizons even further.

Sarah's Instagram | sarahbsouthern

Sarah's Substack | @sarahsouthern

Sarah's Article | Embracing Violence

Highlights:

02:01 Navigating Deconstruction and Crises of Belief

05:50 The Impact of Fear and Violence in Faith

10:05 Cultural Evolution and Human Connection

15:55 Traveling Through Faith and Diversity

22:07 The Balance of Wonder and Fear in Faith

25:58 Finding Beauty in New Landscapes

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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Psychedelics & Corporate BS with Comedian Tom Fell (#297) Nov 12, 2024

We're back with another comedian episode of YHP, this time featuring Tom Fell, whose brilliant social media videos skewer corporate speak and existential themes with painful accuracy. Our conversation centers on psychedelics and consciousness, where Tom demonstrates what I'd call "materialist wonder" - particularly in his story about encountering a whale shortly after taking mushrooms. Rather than viewing it through a supernatural or New Age lens, Tom finds deeper meaning in understanding the scientific factors that make this coincidence possible. This approach, which sees wonder in natural causes rather than divine intervention, reflects the same balance found in his comedy: a critical yet playful perspective that serves as a pressure release valve for processing life's profound and absurd aspects. And yes, we laugh a lot!

Tom's Linktree | linktr.ee/tomfell

Highlights:

09:11 Truth in Comedy: The Power of Humor

29:58 Existential Themes in Comedy

42:16 Navigating Drug Culture and Personal Choices

53:18 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality

01:05:10 Spirituality Beyond Religion: Personal Revelations

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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Election Processing (#296) Nov 07, 2024

The You Have Permission team of Dan Koch, Josh Gilbert and Joy Vetterlein sit down to process the election a day later. Dan puts on his therapy hat and offers some general coping mechanisms and how to deal with the catastrophizing thoughts blue voters might have around a Trump presidency. We also discuss listener comments and questions, and talk through what we’re learning and taking away from the experience. Listen if you could use some friends to process with and find a bit of hope, but skip this one if you’re looking for detailed political analysis or if you just need to stay in your anger a little longer.

Sharon McMahon's Podcast | Here's Where It Gets Interesting

Robert Wright's Election Video | Nervous About the Election? Watch This.

The NonZero Substack | NonZero Newsletter

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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Is Dan a “Christian Agnostic”? (#295) Nov 04, 2024

Take a break from election coverage and enjoy this thoughtful conversation with Brandan Robertson, a pastor in Queens, NY, about "Christian agnosticism" and navigating faith with intellectual honesty. We explore how embracing uncertainty about religious claims can actually deepen rather than diminish faith, moving beyond the rigid certainty of our evangelical backgrounds toward a more nuanced approach. We share our experiences of finding value in Christian traditions while holding space for doubt, and discuss how this approach resonates with both religious and non-religious people alike. The conversation expands to cover selective Christianity, religious commitment, trends in progressive faith communities, and even Joel Osteen's effective use of simple religious messaging. It’s a refreshing perspective on how faith can remain relevant and authentic in an increasingly complex world!

Brandon's Website | brandanrobertson.com

Highlights:

02:43 Christian Agnosticism: Embracing Mystery and Wonder

25:51 The Limits of Human Knowledge and Religious Pragmatism

33:08 The Tension Between Deconstruction and Faith

54:11 Challenges in Building Lasting Change in Progressive Religious Movements

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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Dan, Josh & Kristen Get Personal with The Iron Claw (#294) Oct 28, 2024

Today I'm joined by frequent podcast collaborators Josh Gilbert and Kristen Tideman to discuss "The Iron Claw" (2023), a film that chronicles the tragic story of the Von Erich wrestling family during the territorial wrestling era of the 1980s. At its core, the film explores how patriarch Fritz Von Erich projects his unrealized wrestling ambitions onto his sons through conditional love and emotional suppression while his sons form intense bonds supporting each other through their shared pursuit of wrestling excellence. We share our personal reactions to the film's heavy themes and explore our own boundaries with difficult content. For our Patron-only segment, we dive deep into the film's haunting afterlife scene, leading to vulnerable conversations about faith, mortality, family tragedy, and questions of legacy. I even talk about crying! Like all impactful films, "The Iron Claw" opened up avenues of conversation we might not have reached otherwise, revealing how this portrait of a family trapped in cycles of ambition, loyalty, and tragedy resonates with our own experiences.

Highlights:

12:40 Personal Reflections on Film and Emotional Impact

20:05 The Intersection of Film and Personal Experience

30:12 The Movie Method: A Therapeutic Approach to Film

Movie | The Iron Claw

Episode with Jenny Hamelton | Using Movies in Therapy (#265)

Jenny's Website | jennyhamiltoncounselling.wordpress.com

The Movies Could Be Good For You Article | https://theconversation.com/watching-movies-could-be-good-for-your-mental-health-214325

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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God & Love in “Nobody Wants This” (YHP After Hours) (#293) Oct 24, 2024

Join Dan Koch and Joy Vetterlein for another "After Hours" episode of You Have Permission as they dive into Netflix's hit series "Nobody Wants This." While a rom-com might seem like an unexpected choice for YHP, this show about an agnostic podcaster (Kristen Bell) falling for a progressive rabbi (Adam Brody) offers surprisingly rich material for exploring faith, doubt, and relationships. Dan and Joy unpack several fascinating themes from the first episode: the Jewish approach to wrestling with religious uncertainty, refreshingly honest relationship dynamics that buck typical rom-com tropes, the complex dynamics of religious authority and spiritual interpretation, and thoughtful discussion of how Jewish audiences are receiving the show's cultural portrayal. While lighter than our usual fare, this episode demonstrates how pop culture can open doors to deeper conversations about faith, psychology, and human connection. Let us know if you'd like to see more episodes in this casual evening format and/or more discussion of current shows and movies!

Highlights

15:05 Cultural Reflections on Judaism and Christianity

19:58 Faith, Doubt, and Spirituality in Relationships

30:12 Attachment Theory and Relationship Patterns

52:47 Cultural Stereotypes in Relationships

01:02:14 Near-Death Experiences and Life Changes

Joy's Website | joyvetterlein.com

The Attachment-Based Romance Video Dan Mentions | Why We Pick Difficult Partners

Dan's New Substack | Religion on the Mind

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Creativity After Deconstruction (#291) Oct 14, 2024

Musician Jayne Sugg joins the podcast to discuss her journey through faith deconstruction and its profound impact on her creative process. Raised in a charismatic, Pentecostal church where her family led worship, Jayne's faith and music were deeply intertwined from a young age. This deconstruction process resulted in a significant creative crisis as Jayne struggled to find authentic artistic expression outside the familiar framework of worship music. Her story illustrates the deep connection between belief systems and artistic expression, and how personal crises can catalyze artistic growth. Tune in to hear how Jayne ultimately rediscovered her musical voice by exploring new genres and perspectives.

Jayne Sugg | Spotify

Jayne's Website | jaynesugg.com

Chapters:

05:21 Navigating Post-Evangelical Christian Artistry

33:27 Deconstruction in Worship Music

53:24 Nurturing Creativity in Religious Communities

01:10:30 The Impact of Disillusionment on Musical Development

01:31:05 Cultural Influences on Musical Expression

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Purity Culture Regrets (YHP After Hours) (#290) Oct 10, 2024

In this special "after hours" episode of "You Have Permission," Dan and his old friend Lindsay share their biggest regrets from evangelical purity culture. They explore how this nonbiblical but influential sexual ethic affected both men and women during adolescence, acknowledging that women bore the brunt of its impact. Dan and Lindsay reminisce about cringeworthy memories, like bizarre sex ed object lessons and being used as "purity examples" in youth group. They discuss how purity culture shaped their limited sex education and filtered their understanding of sexuality and relationships. The conversation touches on the lasting effects of purity culture on mental health, physical well-being, and current relationships. The first half of this more personal and casual episode is available for free, with the deeper, more candid discussion reserved for Patrons.

Lindsay's Website | www.stranniganandsons.com

Lindsay on Instagram | @lindsaystrannigan

Episode #187 with Lindsay | Walk Me Through: Jesus Movement Music '67-'79 (Part 1)

Highlights

05:55 Personal Regrets and Experiences

12:08 The Impact of Purity Culture on Relationships

18:09 Sex Education and Its Gaps

23:55 Navigating Sexuality and Shame

35:50 Health Consequences of Purity Culture

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Chat-GPT Enneagram Full Episode (Patreon Preview) Oct 08, 2024

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In this special episode, Dan brings together his "Big Five" friends—Tripp Fuller, Myron Penner, Sarah Concepcion, and Sarah Lane Ritchie—to playfully mock and critically examine the Enneagram. Dan introduces the "Danneagram," an AI-generated personality system, sparking a lively discussion that oscillates between humorous riffs on personality typing and serious critiques. The group debates the value of such systems, even if not scientifically valid, and covers other topics like birth order, religious anthropology, and even "Lord of the Rings" characters. Join in for a thought-provoking and entertaining dive into the allure and limitations of personality assessments.

Previous Enneagram Episodes:

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Ep #161 | The Enneagram Doesn't Hold Up

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The Psychology of… Reality TV?! (#289) Oct 07, 2024

Dr. Kirk Honda of Psychology in Seattle returns to discuss the intersection of psychology and popular media. We explore the world of reality TV through a psychological lens, where Dr. Honda makes a compelling case for using these shows as tools for psychoeducation and cultural insight. According to him, even heavily edited content can serve as a springboard for discussing broader psychological concepts. From relationship dynamics in "Love is Blind" to personality assessments discussed during the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard trial, we examine how popular culture can be leveraged to increase psychological literacy among the public. This conversation offers a fresh perspective on the potential of reality TV as a vehicle for understanding human behavior and mental health, demonstrating how clinicians and educators can engage thoughtfully with popular media to foster greater psychological awareness.

Highlights

02:56 The Role of Movies in Personal Development

11:55 The Intersection of Therapy and Media Representation

23:52 The Ethics of Reality TV and Therapy

Previous Episode with Kirk:

Episode 88 | Secular Therapy's Religion Blind Spot

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Kirk's Podcast | Psychology In Seattle Podcast

Kirk's YouTube Channel | Psychology in Seattle

Psychology In Seattle Website | psychologyinseattle.com

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Dan Made His Own Enneagram (#288) Sep 30, 2024

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The Still Christian Hosts Are… Still Christian (#287) Sep 23, 2024

In this week's episode, I sit down with Katelyn Dixon and Sarah Almodovar, co-hosts of the Still Christian podcast, for another installment in my Still Christian series. We explore our diverse religious backgrounds and experiences questioning faith, from Katie's "dark night of the soul" to Sarah's period of rebellion in New York City. We also discussed the idea of "undeniable" spiritual experiences. Drawing from my philosophy background, I propose a more nuanced approach to these experiences, suggesting we treat them as important data points in our spiritual lives rather than irrefutable proof. While our approaches to faith differ — with Katie and Sarah emphasizing personal, subjective experiences and my leaning towards a more analytical view — this conversation showcases the presence of diversity within Christian spirituality and the value of open, engaging dialogue about faith.

In the patron-only second half of the episode, we dive deeper into the role of suffering in faith, different approaches to religion, the interplay between art and faith, and our shared experience of hosting podcasts about Christianity in contemporary contexts. Join or log on to your Patreon account to hear the full, ad-free version of this episode.

Highlights

09:08 Dark Nights of the Soul

11:57 Questioning Christian Identity

14:49 Experiences of God's Presence

17:53 Spiritual Experiences and Interpretation

20:48 The Intersection of Faith and Modern Life

Katelyn and Sarah's Podcast | Still Christian

Still Christian Instagram | @stillchristianpodcast

Sarah's Yoga Page | sarahjoalmo.com

Katelyn's Website and Writing Page | katelynjdixon.com

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Changing Minds about Women in Ministry (#286) Sep 16, 2024

John and Linn Haralson discuss their journey from complementarianism to egalitarianism regarding women in ministry. As long-time members of their church community, I've witnessed their progression firsthand, making this behind-the-scenes look particularly interesting. We explore the complexities of changing deeply held beliefs within a marriage and church leadership context. Lynn shares how events like the Charleston massacre in 2016 catalyzed her shift in perspective, while John describes his more gradual journey, influenced by leaving the PCA and reading William Witt's "Icons of Christ." The couple candidly discussed their "don't ask, don't tell" period and the personal costs of their former beliefs. We also delve into the challenges of guiding a congregation through such a significant doctrinal change, including the anxiety preceding the church vote and the intentional process of education and discussion. Their story illuminates how changing one's mind on theological issues is a deeply personal process affecting relationships, community dynamics, and individual spiritual journeys.

Highlights:

05:14 Different Perspectives on Gender Roles

19:42 The Cost of Changing Beliefs

35:24 Living with Complementarianism within Marriage

59:03 Validating Grief and Loss within Complementarian Beliefs

John and Linn's Church | graceseattle.org

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The Six Facets of Spiritual Health (#285) Sep 09, 2024

In this episode, I welcomed back Dr. Pam Ebstyne King to discuss her framework of six facets for spiritual health. We focused on "transcendence and spirituality," where Pam expanded on Dr. Lisa Miller's definition to include not just experiencing something beyond oneself, but also responding to it. This resonated deeply with me, prompting thoughts on evolving my two-item model of spirituality and religiosity into a three-item model including transcendence. Pam's research on "spiritual exemplars" illustrated how individuals allow transcendent experiences to shape their identity, beliefs, and actions. This conversation sparked ideas about a more holistic model of spiritual life, acknowledging the initial experience of transcendence, the personal spiritual journey, and the communal religious practices that often follow.

Highlights

09:13 Six Facets of Spiritual Health

19:30 Transcendence and Spirituality

23:13 Habits and Rhythms

25:59 Relationships and Community

30:45 Vocation and Purpose

35:49 Identity and Narrative

41:49 Ethics and Virtues

Pam's Thrive Center | thethrivecenter.org

Pam's Podcast | With & For

Past YHP Episode with Pam King:

#129 | Religion, Virtue & Human Thriving

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A Teen Witch with a Jesuit Dad (#284) Sep 03, 2024

In the second episode of our series of conversations with comedians about religion and spirituality, comedian Maggie Lally joined me to share her genuinely unique religious experiences and how they inform her comedy and worldview.

From a sheltered Catholic upbringing by a former Jesuit priest to becoming a “teen witch” in adolescence, Maggie was raised with a sense of spiritual openness that she still carries with her today. We discussed all the various therapeutic approaches she has experienced (including one who inspired a comedy bit about “overly empathetic white female therapists”) and connected on the practice of centering prayer.

Highlights

06:33 The Journey of Maggie's Father: From Jesuit to Family Man

36:33 The Impact of Teenage Witchcraft

43:38 The Role of Therapy and Spiritual Direction

50:31 Cultivating a Meditation Practice

01:00:23 Exploring Spirituality and Religion

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The Nicene Creed (#283) Aug 27, 2024

In this follow-up to our discussion on the Apostle's Creed, Thomas Jay Oord and I delve into the Nicene Creed, examining its history, language, and theology through a progressive Christian lens. We grapple with complex concepts like the Trinity, the nature of Christ, and the Holy Spirit, questioning traditional interpretations and exploring how our diverse backgrounds shape our understanding of these ideas. While acknowledging the historical significance of the Creed, we also confront the challenge of interpreting ancient texts in a modern context. Our conversation highlights the tension between appreciating theological tradition and prioritizing practical expressions of faith that address contemporary issues. Ultimately, we reflect on the value of critically engaging with our religious heritage to cultivate a faith that is both historically grounded and relevant to today's world.

Highlights

00:00 Introduction and Recap of Previous Episode

03:14 The Role of Theology: Faith Seeking Understanding

11:50 The Limitations of Language in Theological Discourse

19:10 Decoding the Language of the Nicene Creed

23:57 The Tension Between Theological Precision and Language

Tom's Previous Episode list:

#7 | To Change Your Mind: Healing Prayer

#23 | To Be a Postmodern Christian

#42 | Is the "Supernatural" Actually Just Natural?

Matthew Novenson Episode on "Pneuma:

#163 | Apocalyptic Expectations, the Resurrection & More

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The Apostle's Creed (#282) Aug 26, 2024

In this first part of our discussion, Thomas Jay Oord and I take a deep dive into the Apostle’s Creed, exploring its origins, language, and theology through a progressive Christian lens. We examine foundational beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, questioning traditional interpretations and considering how our experiences and backgrounds influence our understanding of these core tenets of faith. As we navigate the historical significance of the Creed, we also grapple with the challenge of applying these ancient declarations to a modern, evolving faith context. Our conversation reflects the ongoing tension between honoring theological tradition and pursuing a faith that resonates with contemporary concerns. Ultimately, we emphasize the importance of critically engaging with our religious heritage to cultivate a faith that is both deeply rooted in history and responsive to the realities of today’s world.

Highlights:

03:15 Discussion on the Apostles Creed

13:06 Challenges and Personal Responses to the Creeds

23:47 Interpreting the Phrase 'Believe in Jesus Christ'

28:02 Understanding the Uniqueness of Jesus

34:20 Exploring the Concepts of 'Descended to the Dead' and 'Resurrection'

40:33 The Significance of the Resurrection in Christianity

52:26 Exploring the Possibility of Mass Experiences

56:45 Continuation of Subjective Experience Beyond Death

Tom's Previous Episode list:

#7 | To Change Your Mind: Healing Prayer

#23 | To Be a Postmodern Christian

#42 | Is the "Supernatural" Actually Just Natural?

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#163 | Apocalyptic Expectations, the Resurrection & More

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Introducing “God Songs” (with Tyson Motsenbocker) (#281) Aug 19, 2024

In this inaugural episode of the new "God Songs AKA Songs in the Key of G-O-D" series, Dan Koch and fellow musician (and returning guest) Tyson Motsenbocker explore spiritually significant songs that aren't overtly religious. Dan shares his encounter with Jim James of My Morning Jacket and delves into James' song "Believe (Nobody Knows)," examining how it expresses belief amidst uncertainty. The conversation weaves through topics like evangelical "friendship evangelism," the psychological impact of absolutist beliefs, and the concept of "infinity withdrawal." Dan and Tyson discuss connections between James' music and Transcendental Meditation, touching on TM-inspired songs by The Beatles, Donovan, and the Beach Boys. This wide-ranging discussion explores the intersection of spirituality, culture, and art, grappling with deep questions about belief, community, and the human need for meaning, while contrasting ascetic traditions with worldly expressions of spirituality.

Highlights:

06:44 Analyzing 'Believe (Nobody Knows)' by My Morning Jacket

23:11 The Nuances And Limits Of Faith And Belief

33:26 The Influence of Transcendental Meditation on Popular Music

Tyson on Instagram

Where the Waves Turn Back Book

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Why Are Christians so Bad with Queer People? (#280) Aug 12, 2024

In this episode, I sit down with previous-guest-turned-colleague Joy Vetterlein to explore the intricate relationship between disgust psychology, Christian faith, and attitudes towards LGBTQ+ individuals. We discuss how evolutionary disgust mechanisms influence reactions to sexuality, and the challenge of balancing intuitive responses with consciously held values. The conversation delves into personal experiences of conservative Christian upbringing, the importance of integrating mind and intuition, and finding a middle ground through discernment. We examine how disgust psychology affects Christian interactions with LGBTQ+ individuals, questioning whether such reactions are divine guidance or natural responses requiring examination. The episode emphasizes the crucial role of critical thinking and self-reflection in navigating complex moral and social issues, regardless of one's religious beliefs.

Highlights

07:20 The Importance of Discernment in Navigating Beliefs

12:14 Exploring the Psychology of Disgust

21:03 Controversy and Perspectives: The Opening Ceremony of the Olympics

31:28 Disgust as a Physical Reaction

48:08 The Culture War and Disgust Psychology

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Russell Moore on Cynicism in the Trump Age (#279) Aug 05, 2024

Russell Moore, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, sat down with me to explore the current state of American Christianity, focusing on the challenges of maintaining relationships across ideological divides in an age of deep political cynicism and polarization. He shared insights on navigating family dynamics in a polarized era, emphasizing the importance of preserving relationships even when agreement seems impossible. We discussed the complexities within the Southern Baptist Convention, including how to interpret news from their annual meetings and the challenges of defining doctrinal boundaries. Russell has a nuanced perspective and I appreciate his ability to critically examine both conservative and progressive tendencies in Christianity.

Chapters

10:46 The Importance of Authenticity

26:41 Navigating Relationships and Acceptance

35:07 The Decline of the Southern Baptist Convention

55:17 Ethical Considerations and Regulations in the Age of AI

01:05:27 The Importance of Balancing Perspectives

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Russel's Article on AI | A New Era of AI Is Here, and the Church Is Not Ready

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GGCH: Biden’s Exit & Family Grief (#278) Jul 29, 2024

This month’s Generation Gap Culture Hour focuses on recent political events (perhaps against our better judgement!). We also touch on generational differences in political engagement and dynamics within the Democratic Party. The conversation ends with a discussion about Joe Biden's decision to step down, how we are thinking about him/this decision, and potential implications for the election.

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Is America Really Becoming More Secular? (#277) Jul 22, 2024

Author and researcher Ryan Burge joins me to discuss religious trends in America. Ryan's research reveals a surprising plateau in the growth of religious "nones" over the past five years, even through the COVID-19 period. We explored his upcoming book on the "big church sort," discussing the polarization of American religion into conservative churches and liberal non-religious groups, while moderate and mainline churches rapidly decline. Our conversation touched on the challenges facing mainline Protestantism, the use of political symbols in religious spaces, and the importance of exposing ourselves and our children to diverse viewpoints within religious settings.

Highlights:

08:12 The Plateau of the Religious 'Nones'

35:10 The Big Church Sort: The Decline of Mainline Protestantism

01:02:36 Exposing Children to Different Views

Ryan's Substack

Ryan's Books:

The Great Dechurching

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Episode #25: "Myths about Religion and Politics in America”

YHP Episode with Josh Porter

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How to Leave Religion (#276) Jul 15, 2024

Returning guest and psychologist of religion Daryl Van Tongeren (Hope College) and I discuss his new book "Done: How to Flourish After Leaving Religion,” a book that is also quite helpful for those remaining in faith communities after changing beliefs/deconstructing, etc. We explore the concept of "religious residue": how religion continues to impact the way we think, feel, and act even after leaving faith. We discussed the complexity of deconversion and why leaving faith can be so challenging and time-consuming, especially when finding community. This was a rich and insightful conversation, and will hopefully be encouraging to anyone navigating the tumultuous waters of religious change.

Highlights:

04:16 Difficulties of Leaving Religion

12:11 The Great Disillusionment: Reasons for Leaving Religion/Deconstruction

26:45 Religious Residue and Crafting a New Identity

36:36 Navigating Isolation

55:40 Finding a New Community

Daryl's Book | Done: How to Flourish After Leaving Religion by Darrell Van Tongren

Daryl's Website

Episodes with Daryl:

Episode 195: “You Are Not Your Beliefs”

Episode 177: “The Good of Religion Without the Bad?"

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Matt & Max from Milkless 2.0 (#275) Jul 11, 2024

Matt and Max from Milkless are back! We pick up our conversation on belief and the meaning of life that we started in episode #271.

After exploring the potential downsides of belief without proof (i.e. conspiracy theories) and the psychology behind how and why we believe, we chatted about the meaning of life. We grappled with the nature of meaning itself, expressing both panentheistic views of God and naturalistic explanations of existence. We also talked through how finely-tuned the universe is and debated the validity of intelligent design.

We didn't solve any universal mysteries, but enjoyed a respectful, thought-provoking conversation about the biggest questions of our existence.

Milkless Podcast

Milkless Podcast on IG

Highlights:

02:56 Belief in a higher power

08:07 Our need for meaning

11:56 Conspiracy theories and conservative religion

19:05 Spirituality with or without religion

25:12 The universe and intelligent design

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Gay Ex-Mormon Comedian Ryan Erwin (#274) Jul 08, 2024

I’m kicking off a new series exploring the intersection of comedy, religion, and spirituality!

My first guest is Ryan Erwin, a gay ex-Mormon missionary turned clean comic. We talk about his idyllic Mormon childhood in Utah, his departure from Mormonism and exploration of other faiths, his introduction to comedy, and how he has ultimately found spiritual fulfillment in nature and everyday activities.

I appreciated Ryan’s humor, warmth, and grounded perspective, hearing how he finds meaning outside traditional religious structures, as well as how his comedy can be a vehicle for exploring profound, sometimes uncomfortable truths about faith and identity.

Highlights:

08:37 “Religious Residue”

22:12 The Power of Storytelling

33:18 Leaving Mormonism and Pursuing Comedy

45:03 Finding Spirituality in Nature and the Present Moment

57:06 Living in the Here and Now: Embracing New Experiences

Ryan's Instagram

Ryan's Website

Dry Bar Comedy Specials: Dry Bar Comedy - Ryan Erwin

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The Holy Spirit? Or "Just the Drums"? (Sarah Lane Ritchie & The New Evangelicals) (#273) Jul 01, 2024

When we have spiritual experiences with things like worship music, is that the Holy Spirit moving? Or, as Tim Whitaker (The New Evangelicals) claimed in a viral Instagram meme, is it “just the drums”? Can it be both?

Tim and Sarah Lane Ritchie return to discuss these ideas, Tim’s experiences as a worship drummer, “spiritual technologies” like worship music, the potential harm of conflating these experiences with “God,” the role of such experiences in the life of faith, and more.

Watch this Episode on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/qMTeohCkEDA

Tim's Viral Drums Reel:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6PhVL6OlDG/?igsh=eDdhZjFoMjI2NjJ1

The New Evangelicals Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865

thenewevangelicals.com

Sarah's Faculty Page:

https://www.templeton.org/team-member/sarah-lane-ritchie-ph-d

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@slaneritchie

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Is Dan Being Trolled By AI? (with Tyson Motsenbocker) (#272) Jun 27, 2024

Tyson Motsenbocker returns to help Dan answer if he is being followed by a handful of AI-generated bot Instagram accounts. Could they be Russians? Why is Avis so interested in her son Jason and “knitting small bees”? Are we in an “uncanny valley” yet with AI content?

Tyson on Instagram

Where the Waves Turn Back Book

Tyson's Website

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I Don’t Believe In That God: Matt Naylor & Max Valverde (Milkless Podcast) (#271) Jun 24, 2024

This week I’m joined by co-hosts of the excellent fatherhood-focused Milkless Podcast, Max Valverde and Matt Naylor for another listener-favorite “I Don’t Believe in That God” episode. Max leans towards atheism, finding a personal God unlikely, while Matt feels a pull towards spirituality but questions specific religious claims.

This is actually an episode swap -- so today there is both a new Milkless episode featuring yours truly (in which we discuss the benefits and costs of religion/spirituality in raising kids) AND a You Have Permission episode with the two of them.

A major theme that emerged was the difference between specific truth claims about the nature of reality and God vs. poetic or "theopoetic" framings that resonate as meaningful and promote human flourishing, even if not literally true. We didn't see perfectly eye-to-eye on this, with Matt expressing reservations about believing things for the sake of comfort or convenience rather than evidence. (Of course, I pushed back on what counts as evidence, etc.)

This conversation was SO GOOD that Matt and Max are returning for round 2 in a month or so -- keep your eyes out for that one!

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John Mark McMillan: Faith & Doubt (#270) Jun 17, 2024

Finally, a long chat with indie Christian musician John Mark McMillan! John Mark started out firmly in the mainstream Christian world but has been gradually exploring more complex and nuanced expressions of faith (and doubt!) through his art.

We discussed his early life on a Christian commune, what it's like to be a recording artist wrestling with deep questions of faith and doubt, and whether a doubting faith is actually more faithful than one laced with certainty. We got into meaning-making, suffering, and the audacity of hope in an imperfect world. In other words, it was great.

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https://youtu.be/PcWpzObjGK4

John Mark's Website

John Mark McMillan on Spotify

Resources Mentioned:

Hunting the Divine Fox: An Introduction to the Language of Theology

Viktor Frankl's Book: A Man's Search for Meaning

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We Watched The Chosen So You Don't Have To: Season 1, Episodes 2 & 3 (#269) Jun 13, 2024

How many times has someone told you that you have to watch The Chosen, the smash hit TV series depicting the life of Jesus?

My buddy Jeff Martin and I break down season 1, episode 2 & 3, reacting to all manner of interesting details from my own liberal Christian therapist perspective and Jeff’s more moderate Evangelical lens.

We get into:

Shabbat and Shabbat dinner
Conversion experiences and their psychological, social, and spiritual aspects
depiction of Jesus' interactions with children and his characterization

I’m very curious how much appetite there is for continuing with episodes like this, so please check it out and let me know what you think!

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https://youtu.be/3ViFnTp7Des

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Who Are the Exvangelicals? (#268) Jun 10, 2024

Sarah McCammon, NPR journalist and author of "The Exvangelicals," shares her journey out of evangelical Christianity, including her pivotal relationship with her non-religious gay grandfather.

We explore how journalism provided Sarah with a space to question and how my work in therapy also demands openness to evidence. We covered the impact of the Trump era on evangelicalism and the earlier Emergent movement led by figures like Rob Bell and Rachel Held Evans.

We delve into the evangelical subculture's "parallel institutions" and their role in fostering distrust of mainstream institutions. Finally, we reflect on our wariness of echo chambers and the value we now place on viewpoint diversity and factual specificity.

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https://youtu.be/Kl0cr4MZaBI

Sarah’s Book “The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church”:

https://www.amazon.com/Exvangelicals-Loving-Living-Leaving-Evangelical/dp/1250284473

Sarah’s Substack

Depolarize! Podcast

Reconstruct Podcast

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GGCH: Israel, Rome and Christianity as a Story (#267) Jun 06, 2024

After kicking things off with our usual game of "Bar, Bank, Church or Dispensary?” and “Ways we are becoming our dads” segments, I introduced a new segment focused on funny Hard Times headlines.

Tony recalled his recent time in Rome and reflected on the passing of theologian Jurgen Moltmann. This led into a conversation about Israel and the war in Gaza, and all three of us gave our thoughts on the conflict.

Finally, I brought forward the idea of seeing Christianity as a story in which we find ourselves, and we compared it with other meta-narratives competing for our attention and loyalty.

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https://youtu.be/O27kTZyxVcU

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tony's Substack on Jürgen Moltmann

Movie: God On Trial

Kristen Ashley's Book: Knight

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A Difficult Relationship with Christianity (#266) Jun 03, 2024

Today’s episode is a thoughtful conversation with my friend Josh Patterson of the (Re)Thinking Faith Podcast about his evolving relationship with Christianity. No longer a pastor, he sometimes struggles to articulate theological concepts that once came easily. Practices that used to nourish his soul now give him pause, and he wonders if his reduced engagement with Christian community and spiritual disciplines has contributed to this sense of distance.

Despite this, Josh still experiences spontaneous moments of prayer, gratitude, and spiritual connection. He values embodied spiritual experiences over mere intellectual agreement with doctrines. The theological issues that once consumed him, such as Hell and atonement theories, have been overshadowed by more fundamental metaphysical and philosophical questions. He resonates with poetic and metaphorical approaches to theology (AKA “theopoetics”) that allow religious language to gesture toward profound truths and experiences without collapsing into rigid literalism.

Watch this Episode on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/BuySOBvUOhY

Josh's Podcast "Rethinking Faith":

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524

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Using Movies in Therapy (#265) May 30, 2024

In this mid-week episode (full version is available on Patreon!) I am joined by Jenny Hamilton, a licensed therapist and senior lecturer at the University of Lincoln in the UK, talking about her peer-reviewed movie therapy method.

We discussed how films can provide a unique form of escapism while also helping foster empathy by allowing viewers to experience the world through someone else's perspective. Jenny emphasized the importance of tailoring selections to each individual client's interests, issues, and comfort level. We also touched on the value of using well-known films as a common reference point, which can help build rapport and facilitate deeper conversations.

Should I find a guest or two who wants to try out the MOVIE Method, perhaps for a Patreon episode? We would watch a well-known movie and then talk through some journaling/response “homework” based on Jenny’s approach? Let me know!

Jenny's Website:

https://jennyhamiltoncounselling.wordpress.com/

Jenny's Podcast "The Movie Method":

https://open.spotify.com/show/3hx4QmEz4LfQOoxqScwEU8?si=a4c8760608624958

The conversation article: https://theconversation.com/watching-movies-could-be-good-for-your-mental-health-214325

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Why Are We Obsessed with the End Times? (#264) May 28, 2024

This week I had the pleasure of speaking with Matt Halstead about his new book “The End of the World as You Know It” which focuses on End Times prophecies and apocalyptic literature. We touched on everything from the psychological drives behind our fascination with the future to the importance of maintaining a questioning mindset in matters of faith.

We kicked things off by acknowledging the trauma and anxiety that can often accompany these teachings, especially for those who grew up in conservative evangelical circles. Matt shared how he was never encouraged to ask critical questions about these topics but rather was expected to simply accept what he was told.

We also got into the history of apocalyptic literature and how it has been interpreted throughout the centuries. Matt pointed out that these texts were originally written from the perspective of oppressed groups, not the privileged empires of the day.

Matt’s Book “The End of the World as You Know It”:

https://www.amazon.com/End-World-You-Know-Really/dp/1683597125

Matt’s Faculty Page:

https://eternity.edu/meet-dr-halsted/

Revelation Lectures by Craig S. Keener:

https://masterlectures.zondervanacademic.com/revelation-craig-s-keener

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Should We Care About Harrison Butker's Speech? (#263) May 23, 2024

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In response to a listener suggestion, as well as having enjoyed Bonnie Kristian's recent newsletter on the topic, I looked into the recent Harrison Butker commencement address controversy. I had a few thoughts!

I talk briefly about the situation, how I largely think of it in terms of protected religious speech, more progressive options within Christianity, the good questions raised by conservative counter-reactions in support of Butker and what one such reaction gets quite wrong, and some insights from the "cultural competency" world of psychotherapy that I think are applicable.

Bonnie's newsletter: https://bonniekristian.substack.com/p/that-commencement-speech-didnt-need?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=405918&post_id=144821513&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=42udl&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

James Martin, SJ: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/james-martin-sj

gaychurch.org

ParentData on daycare: https://parentdata.org/day-care-bad-children/

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Why Are Some Christians So Certain? Q&A w/Kristen (#262) May 20, 2024

You know her and love her â€” my friend and recurring guest Kristen Tideman joined me this week for another listener-powered Q&A session!

We recommended voices outside Christianity who provide thoughtful commentary on religion and culture, considered why some Christians seem to have a gentle certainty in their faith while others wrestle with doubt, recommended resources for those interested in psychology but not necessarily at a graduate school level, and wrapped with our Q&A tradition, “podcasts someone else should start.”

I always look forward to bringing Kristen back for these episodes, so please continue to send in your questions and feedback!

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https://youtu.be/ZWEDLrjwiAA

Kristen & Sarey’s Website:

https://www.tidycocreative.com/

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

“The Spiral Staircase: My Climb Out of Darkness” Book by Karen Armstrong:

https://www.amazon.com/Spiral-Staircase-Climb-Out-Darkness/dp/0385721277

“A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam”:

https://www.amazon.com/History-God-000-Year-Judaism-Christianity/dp/0345384563

“Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny” Book by Robert Wright:

https://www.amazon.com/Nonzero-Robert-Wright-audiobook/dp/B003VXOYU0/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.W5VbJEd_C7ARelFjPSPdn3yzWFEz_e8NNfRIuUQAVYQiGo7URK4okOWLCcU-5qKRkbZWePmrNEF5UMu2Bsnz0zVH2G-PDpc_rM3QD3GaET1B7YIFlklFaTi9a-8eJlmCGiwutLTJ5mzRIKor8tBFjjIl4mgdq9ixog65RS29IuP6zMeEftqYoSnZP90f73gmgICZuXNiRBhMwUxuvgP76n0gRWYNnZ8v5a3Rb0BlR7I.lzOXxi7UQfAmzXEGnSvr1HwJpM3ZqgRzjKOlcv4A9dI&dib_tag=se&hvadid=695122461575&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9060341&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=9167534309706362485&hvtargid=kwd-389232807553&hydadcr=3376_13743879&keywords=nonzero+book&qid=1716136609&sr=8-1

Ezra Klein Show Episode with George Saunders:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-george-saunders.html

“The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds” Book by Michael Lewis:

https://www.amazon.com/The-Undoing-Project-Michael-Lewis-audiobook/dp/B01KBM82M4/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.cvym2lRDIPNob6LgRNDHPOZobL47bYhXCus_FyflE7PaLtByydXWtl_51cpuc2ZxMkfrpUp-o6hKcSIUSzkhknTjMdXCue97elz4LG7AvzJE6OzgVNhyksDwdbqAHnyKUGSJurbTFXxpO5dYRVt9zYkObJ4dX6m3od1-udbHCQKuj0meg8W0G2_KIsoh8nL3_2dKfbIpK9IM6iT-HVNoUcRiH8XiWFaxn3IwyB8MjH0.4vPkZtU2aPl5IqVdSPK_-_EKr3NNIbwGQh97XlkI5NE&dib_tag=se&hvadid=409935120645&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9060341&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8779447192951884940&hvtargid=kwd-409536905666&hydadcr=22597_11320627&keywords=%27the+undoing+project%27+by+michael+lewis&qid=1716136308&sr=8-1

“Thinking Fast and Slow” Book by Daniel Kahneman:

https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-and-Slow-audiobook/dp/B005Z9GAJG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=W7JLD65U1X9F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.J9E3G6r9vjT1ToBWoQvd_jo79NsGeWfMZRwA2IF1bWJJecsgTr9qjHdmX1IlwlqR1EG-cf0ADeQL21OlMnbOLgifLEj4VZDGqBWLpB_c7vGXt0QZa6bMPAg8Za2CbpRwWjTQt0HE4RDRKSgN2snnYa3A8BfMmIludhAdWWNwsnCp6ta6bw8UEcWSv40VpjFqBKBEnqkIouZAVHf-HVvQ6-IooQcNBDgIcj5APXDkih0.xp5f73ny4T0lA9HxrBZfR5AkTsDReliAZ7g4fWtc_YQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=thinking+fast+and+slow&qid=1716136287&sprefix=thinking+fast+%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1

Freakonomics Show “No Stupid Questions”:

https://freakonomics.com/series/nsq/

Radio Lab’s Podcast “The Queen of Dying”:

https://radiolab.org/podcast/queen-dying

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We Watched The Chosen So You Don't Have To: Season 1, Episode 1 (#261) May 16, 2024

How many times has someone told you that you have to watch The Chosen, the smash hit TV series depicting the life of Jesus?

My buddy Jeff Martin and I break down season 1 episode 1, reacting to all manner of interesting details from my own liberal Christian therapist perspective and Jeff’s more moderate Evangelical lens.

We get into psychology, Biblical studies, theology, history, and even some parenting territory.

I’m very curious how much appetite there is for continuing with episodes like this, so please check it out and let me know what you think!

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What Does Subtle Religious Trauma Look Like? (#260) May 13, 2024

My guest this week is Lauren Auer, a licensed counselor specializing in religious trauma. She grew up in the evangelical world and initially opened her practice with a faith-based approach (hence the name Steadfast Counseling) but found herself questioning her own beliefs as she witnessed concerning changes in her church community and started receiving a lot of religious trauma cases in her practice, despite not explicitly advertising this specialty.

We discussed the overt and more subtle forms of religious trauma (abuse is the thing that happens to you, while trauma is what happens inside you). many people are "the frog in the pot" from a young age, accustomed to certain behaviors and beliefs within their religious communities. This normalization can make it difficult to recognize when something is amiss or causing harm. Fear of questioning or deviating from the prescribed path often keeps individuals trapped in a state of confusion and self-doubt.

While Lauren is currently only able to see clients in Illinois, there are resources available, such as the Reclamation Collective directory, a geographically organized list of therapists who self-identify as having expertise in working with religious trauma.

My own Spiritual Harm and Abuse Scale -- a free-to-use clinical screener for therapists -- and a condensed research handout on spiritual abuse, are both freely available on dankochwords.com

**Watch this episode on YouTube**

https://youtu.be/rnZnu1VnGvo

Lauren's Website:

https://steadfastcounseling.com/

Follow Lauren on Instagram -- @steadfastcounseling

Find Clinicians Who Deal with Religious Trauma:

reclamationcollective.com

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GGCH: Post-Christian Churches, the New Sober, and Debriefing the Emerged Podcast (#259) May 09, 2024

After kicking things off with our usual game of "Bar, Bank, Church or Dispensary?” and “Ways we are becoming our dads” segments, we talked about Josh and Tony's work on the recently concluded Emerged podcast, an ambitious 10-episode series examining the Emerging Church movement.

We debated the semantics and cultural implications of the "California sober" lifestyle and whether it really counts as “sober,” getting into the healthcare differences between so-called “abstinence” and “harm reduction” approaches to substance use.

Tony told us about his speaking engagements at two "post-Christian spiritual communities" in Grand Rapids, Michigan. To close out, we had a spirited dialogue sparked by Josh's experience caring for his four-year-old nephew for a day, which included painting their nails in matching rainbow colors.

Next month, I'll be coming in hot with some reasons I am feeling hopeful about the future of mainline liberal Protestantism, which Tony will do his best to abuse me of! But that’s the fun of these GGCH episode, right?

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https://youtu.be/DEDU2b-cFZo

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https://reverendhunter.com/

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The Christian Dating Scene is BLEAK (#258) May 06, 2024

This week, I sat down with Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone, the fantastic hosts of the Saved by the City podcast. I asked them for their take on the "masculinity crisis" some have described in our cultural moment. From their experiences dating in New York City to their observations about the dearth of male role models in many kids' lives, they painted a picture of the loneliness, frustration and loss of purpose afflicting a lot of guys these days.

Many traditionally male-coded traits and roles have been culturally devalued in recent decades in a way that has left a lot of men feeling adrift. Katelyn made the point that while working for gender parity in leadership is important, hyper-focusing on metrics like representation in the Fortune 500 C-suites overlooks a lot of other elements of human flourishing. Roxanne noted that we still have not had a society-wide conversation about redefining success and valorizing things like teaching, caretaking, and community-building that have historically been relegated to the feminine sphere.

Katelyn and Roxanne were emphatic that women have a huge stake in helping stem this crisis, even if their first instinct may be an exasperated "Haven't men had their day in the sun long enough?" As Katelyn put it, men's issues are human issues, and in the long run, the genders rise and fall together. Lonely, angry, purposeless men are more likely to lash out in anti-social ways that endanger everyone.

**Watch this episode on YouTube**

https://youtu.be/GPGGTdTEhYw

Previous Episode "Christianity Today Staffers Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone":

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000556178804

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How Can Deconstructing Parents Talk About God? (#257) Apr 29, 2024

The spiritual education of children can be daunting, especially when parents have more questions about God than answers. Does this necessarily lead to a dead end, or are there tools available when we have very little “bedrock” on which to stand?

Meredith Anne Miller feels that mainstream Christian children's education focuses too heavily on making kids obedient, rather than inviting exploration. Meredith advocates for an approach centered on wonder, curiosity, and relationship -- sharing about God's character and love while making ample space for kids' questions, doubts, and personal journeys.

We also respond to a listener question about specific issues with the Lord’s Prayer as a standard family/bedtime option.

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https://youtu.be/19GZZaSYZwU

Meredith’s Substack:

https://meredithannemiller.substack.com/

Other YHP Episodes around Raising Kids:

#174 Meredith Miller - “Helping Kids Know God in Healthy Ways”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000594695988

#166 Bekah McNeil - “Love & Perfectionism in Raising Kids”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000582889496

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How to Write a Post-Evangelical Novel (#256) Apr 25, 2024

I was joined by editor, podcaster, and novelist Jason Kirk to discuss how he put his Evangelical upbringing — barely distinguishable from my own — into his recent novel Hell Is A World Without You. We also discussed the power of storytelling to capture the overlap of complex ideas, fear of Hell, queer affirmation, Dune, and more.

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https://youtu.be/69-5jPEmrBE

Jason’s Book “ Hell Is a World Without You”: https://www.amazon.com/Hell-World-Without-Jason-Kirk/dp/1735492647

https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/p/novel

“Pretty Good Vibrations” Episode mentioned - Further Seems Forever Deep Dive:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000651894374

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I Don’t Like Worship Music, But It Works (#255) Apr 22, 2024

On this week’s episode, I spoke with Elias Dummer, a musician, marketer, and former singer-songwriter of the Canadian Christian rock band The City Harmonic. We talked about the power and potential of contemporary worship music, exploring its role as a "spiritual technology" and its ability to unite people across various divisions -- class, race, theology, etc. And yes, in case you are wondering, I had to set aside my own personal distaste for Contemporary Christian Music and worship music, but I was happy to do so, all in the name of science, of course!

Elias shared his unique background, coming from an ecumenical, missional context rather than a typical megachurch setting. I liked how this challenged common assumptions about contemporary worship music and its association with private piety and white Evangelical tribalism.

We delved into the research Elias and others are doing about worship music, touching on concepts like Emile Durkheim’s collective effervescence and the ability of music to manipulate emotions. Acknowledging the power that worship leaders hold can help them use this influence responsibly. We agreed that being transparent about the mechanisms at play can help protect people from potential harm and abuse.

Dan’s old band “Pacific Gold”:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/5JiCHmso7KrIrNdhjRuElw?si=DOHu-J1wTyeQ6Rh7ET565g

Elias’s Band “The City Harmonic” on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6qAVoMGl7omcu0RhX1B3fm?si=XTVkEntjSyuMSDLM1zjNlw

The City Harmonic’s “Manifesto” on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/5PsxiztPCYZUcEkXmYSx8Q?si=f921612d70464c32

Elias’ IG @eliasdummer

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https://youtu.be/7D-lyxdwDQs

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A New Queer-Affirming Book & Its Fallout (with The New Evangelicals) (#254) Apr 18, 2024

In this conversation, Tim Whitaker of The New Evangelicals joins Dan for a dual-feed special episode to discuss the upcoming book by Richard B. Hays, a respected New Testament scholar (Duke), and his son Christopher (Fuller), titled 'The Widening of God's Mercy: A Thoroughly Biblical Account of LGBTQ Affirmation in the Church.' They explore the potential impact of the book and the various reactions it has received. They also discuss the importance of acknowledging the harm caused by previous non-affirming positions and the need for an apology. They consider the strategic implications of the book and its potential to shift the conversation in white Evangelical spaces. They highlight the importance of listening to the voices of queer Christian scholars and the potential for the book to provide validation and support for those navigating their faith and sexuality. Also, they explore the idea of holding contradictory views and the importance of integration and growth, including a little bit of therapy-adjacent ideas about Tim and his dad.

https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/

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https://youtu.be/bEdcKuNfHg8

Richard Hays’ Book “The Widening of God’s Mercy”:

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300273427/the-widening-of-gods-mercy/

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Still Christian & Way Humble About It! (#253) Apr 15, 2024

Dan spoke with friend and frequent guest Sarey Martin Concepcion about the intersection of intellectual humility and our Christian faith journeys, attempting to tie this together with his recent set of “Still Christian” episodes. They discussed how Sarey was raised in a fundamentalist evangelical strain of Christianity that valued certainty and correct doctrinal beliefs above all else. This made it challenging to embrace intellectual humility -- acknowledging what one can and cannot be confident about.

While appreciating the research around intellectual humility can create some real tensions within Christianity, it also provides a foundation for extending grace to ourselves and others amid disagreement and uncertainty.

https://www.tidycocreative.com/

Other Intellectual Humility Episodes:

Elizabeth Hall: Doubt, Intellectual Humility & Uncertainty Tolerance (#146)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000553166878

Joshua Hook: Intellectual Humility (#184)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000608179436

Daryl van Tongeren: You Are Not Your Beliefs (#195)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000618349369

Stephen Sandage: What Does a Healthy Spiritual Leader Even Look Like? (#209)

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000627460605

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GGCH: Richard Hays’ Gay Affirmation, Huberman, and More (#252) Apr 11, 2024

On this month's Generation Gap Culture Hour, Dan, Josh, and Tony play a round of “Bar, Bank, Church, or Dispensary,” consider ways they are becoming like their dads, discuss the impact of the forthcoming gay-affirming book by New Testament scholar Richard B. Hays, the New York Magazine attempted takedown of Andrew Huberman, and more.

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https://youtu.be/g5vmzxlRTLI

RESOURCES MENTIONS:

Richard Hays’ Book “The Widening of God’s Mercy”:

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300273427/the-widening-of-gods-mercy/

Andrew Huberman Article:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html

CT’s “Why Character Doesn’t Matter Anymore”:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2024/march-web-only/ned-flanders-douglas-wilson-russell-moore-character.html

Tony's Website:

https://reverendhunter.com/

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How Do Violent & Unhealthy Men Change? (#251) Apr 08, 2024

Dan's guest today is Simon Nixon, a former pastor and licensed counselor in Australia who works predominantly with domestic violence offenders in group therapy settings, helping them understand how to change their behavior and become safe partners and fathers. They discuss the challenges of such work, including the emotional difficulty and the need for a non-judgmental approach to facilitate change.

Simon and Dan explore the concept of toxic and non-toxic masculinities and the importance of helping men identify and process their emotions. Simon outlines the process of working with these men, which includes identifying the kind of man they want to be, challenging unhelpful beliefs, and providing tools and strategies for managing anger and other emotions. They also touch on the evolutionary aspects of masculine traits and how some of these traits, such as protection and provision, may have been adaptive in the past but can be problematic in modern society. Dan offers a framework for re-evaluating some classically masculine traits in a more adaptive way.

Simon's Counsellor Page:

https://www.theaca.net.au/counsellor/Simon-Nixon

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https://youtu.be/Dou415Dnhow

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Trump 2024 Anxiety, Part 2 (#250) Apr 04, 2024

Speaking as much to himself as to listeners, Dan continues this series by recapping Part 1, then discussing two more common thinking errors, known in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as “cognitive distortions,” that he sees in news coverage around the possibility of a Donald Trump victory in 2024. Recognizing these distortions in the media as well as our own thoughts about the election and its results can 1) reduce our anxiety and 2) align our thoughts more fully with the reality that the future is uncertain but unlikely to be as catastrophic as we often assume. More episodes should come and will focus on additional cognitive distortions, as well as acceptance work.

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A Pastor Walks Out of The Church and Into The Woods (#249) Apr 01, 2024

Our very own Tony Jones (Generation Gap Culture Hour episodes, author, theologian, recovering youth ministry wunderkind) joins Dan for a very special conversation about the release of his brand new book, The God of Wild Places. Their conversation follows a three-act structure: Tony's early ministry days, then his escape into hunting while his marriage and life were crumbling, and finally the re-approaching and rethinking of his theology and faith in light of those experiences. Along the way, they also touch on mid-century mainline Protestantism, the spirituality and ritual of indigenous hunting practices, and the costs and benefits of organized religion versus a more "disorganized" spirituality. This is not one you'll want to miss, especially if you enjoy Tony on the GGCH episodes.

Tony's Website:

https://reverendhunter.com/

RESOURCES MENTIONS:

James Dobson’s “Preparing for Adolescence”:

https://www.drjamesdobson.org/broadcasts/preparing-for-adolescence-part-1

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https://youtu.be/wbAuF3YKj3A

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Rapid-Fire Mailbag: Pluralism, Eucharist, Oppenheimer vs. Dune, Books & Podcasts (#248) Mar 28, 2024

**Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/FhPSrPr0g9U

In the first of hopefully many "rapid fire" mailbag episodes, Dan answers listener questions on the following topics:

Books to read as you start faith deconstruction
Podcasts he wishes someone else would start
Oppenheimer vs. Dune Part 2
Whether Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels are compatible with other religions being viable paths to God
Albums that changed how he listens to music
What the Eucharist/Lord’s Supper means to him today

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Pretty Good Vibrations (Dan's music podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250

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Finding Meaning in Difficult Bible Passages (#246) Mar 25, 2024

This week, Dan answers a listener question about how he approaches difficult biblical passages that portray God as full of wrath, punishing humans in this world for their sins and rebellion. Later, Kristen Tideman joins to discuss Dan’s answer and ask some follow-up questions.

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Responding to: Finding Meaning in Difficult Bible Passages (#247) Mar 25, 2024

This week, Dan answers a listener question about how he approaches difficult biblical passages that portray God as full of wrath, punishing humans in this world for their sins and rebellion. Later, Kristen Tideman joins to discuss Dan’s answer and ask some follow-up questions.

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https://youtu.be/STHpDBYJuQc

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“There Are Many Ways to Be Nonviolent” (#245) Mar 21, 2024

In this wide-ranging conversation with Dr. Malinda Berry (Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary), Dan and Malinda cover nonviolence in the Anabaptist tradition, where Anabaptism comes from, the questionable emphasis in these traditions on martyrdom stories, our psychological instincts toward “purity,” and even exposure therapy and the idea that “time heals all wounds.”

Malinda’s Faculty page:

https://www.ambs.edu/employees/malinda-elizabeth-berry/

Richard Foster's Book “The Streams of Living Water: Celebrating the Great Traditions of Christian Faith”:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=streams+of+living+water+richard+foster&hvadid=587486551675&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=1310001887124060575&hvtargid=kwd-377313966157&hydadcr=22599_13379366&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_6v26802mcy_e

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Still Christian & Spiritual: Brian Hall (#244) Mar 18, 2024

Dan is joined by friend and musician Brian Hall (TENTS) to talk his journey through different corners of Christianity, his relationship with his highly-spiritual father, staying out of dogma, and all that as it relates to a beautiful song called “Hutah!” The song is part of Brian’s attempt to reclaim some of his bodily, charismatic birthright in a post-deconstruction landscape. As you might imagine, it’s a pretty great conversation!

Brian’s band Tents Spotify Page:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6UEOudUMOVOVUgAuVos294?si=a3W4UhooQfGWKHr0lGEvnQ

“Hutah!” Song Long Link:

https://open.spotify.com/track/1gL9wxxn8tuTCTfNP31ZXw?si=098da25678b247bc

IG @tentsband

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GGCH: Kid Birthdays & Autonomy vs. Commitment (#243) Mar 14, 2024

This months Generation Gap Culture Hour features topics of Kids Birthday Parties, moss removal men who evangelize, and Josh's Crisis of "too much autonomy".

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Barbie, Taylor Swift & Gen Z Gender Polarization (#242) Mar 11, 2024

Dan is joined this week by Kristen and Sara Tideman, co-hosts of Help Me, Gen Z, to discuss a wide array of topics related to gender, sociopolitics, and how different generations are experiencing these cultural moments. We discuss the film Barbie and its "Oscar snubs," Taylor and Travis and the NFL culture wars, and emerging worldwide cross-cultural research showing a new, much wider political gap between Gen Z males and females.

**Watch this episode on YouTube**:

https://youtu.be/u6YMVLNIiP8

Plain English Episode with Derek Thompson - “The Gender War Within Gen Z”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gender-war-within-gen-z/id1594471023?i=1000644344517

Plain English Episode with Derek Thompson - “Why America Has a Crisis of Masculinity”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-america-has-a-crisis-of-masculinity/id1594471023?i=1000580412547

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Trump’s Evangelical Cult of Personality (#241) Mar 04, 2024

NeverTrumper Peter Wehner returns four years after his last appearance, and Dan asks how he has seen the Evangelical political landscape change in the past 4 years and since 2016. They also discuss the ongoing knowledge crisis, which overlaps so much with our politics and the current state of Evangelicalism in America.

Pete’s first episode, “Trump, Evangelicals & Faith in Politics”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000449110716

Pete’s Atlantic Page:

https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/

Jonathan Haidt’s Book “The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure”:

https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-of-American-Mind-audiobook/dp/B079P7PDWB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23DJHZJK1F8CO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dzY_xDckhNVQGRuXKHgA6cC-1ZCcrmQL4LsUYb_tvK32cKktOoTFitwrrHrF9q72UcGPdqRuMYswA8qCWViNYuK0VxJ6yGzleaaRbhfi7NHGQxbHzXz7Xmq3lJ940l0IycdMXnNkr6JD60EFDaWwNw.i-8zgwwPyISmzx2jLK8xklsqbJbP_z_E8u93U5TYU30&dib_tag=se&keywords=jonathan+height+coddling&qid=1709211506&s=books&sprefix=jonathan+height+coddling%2Cstripbooks%2C79&sr=1-1

Jonathan Rauch’s Book “The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth”:

https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862

Kristen Du Mez’s Book “Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation”:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=jesus+and+john+wayn&hvadid=557195610675&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10198193741129960835&hvtargid=kwd-1442811635484&hydadcr=8375_13469708&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_kxt982vam_e

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The Moral Language of Churches on the Left and Right (#240) Feb 29, 2024

My guest Karen Timbals shares my love of Jonathan Haidt and his Moral Foundations Theory, featured in his book The Righteous Mind. But what happens when use that framework as a lens through which to interpret commonly-used religious language? In what way do liberal and conservative churches make moral appeals to their congregants?

yourmorals.org

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Do We Need the Resurrection, the Creeds, or Miracles? (#239) Feb 26, 2024

This week, Dan talks with pastor Jace Broadhurst. They start out going for a “Worries About Progressive Christianity” episode format, but end up talking about the necessity (or lack thereof) of belief in the resurrection, miracles, and specific items in the major Christian creeds. Along the way, they talk about competing visions of God’s glory and authority, the role of hermeneutics (how we approach a text like Scripture and interpret it), and more.

Jace’s IG @jacebroadhurst

John Shelby Spong’s book “Unbelievable: Why Neither Ancient Creeds Nor the Reformation Can Produce a Living Faith Today”:

https://www.amazon.com/Unbelievable-Neither-Ancient-Reformation-Produce/dp/0062641298

Rethinking Faith Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524

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People Are Different And That Makes Us Anxious (#238) Feb 19, 2024

Dan welcomes back Dr. Steven Sandage and Sarey Martin Concepcion to talk about the natural anxiety produced by the reality of differences between people, especially differences between entire cultures. It is possible to cultivate “cultural humility,” a respectful and curious posture necessary for proper care in many fields, including all types of healthcare. Cultural humility is labor and attention-intensive, requiring emotional reserves that can sometimes be provided through spiritual resources. Incentive structures for both individuals and institutions are often, however, set in opposite to the cultivation of such humility.

Stephen’s Episode “What Does a Healthy Spiritual Leader Even Look Like? (#209)”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000627460605

Steve’s Faculty Page: https://www.bu.edu/sth/profile/steven-j-sandage/

Edwin Friedman’s Book “Generation to Generation”:

https://lifeandleadership.com/book-summaries/friedman-generation-to-generation/

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Masculinity: Protecting the Vulnerable? (#237) Feb 12, 2024

In this latest episode focused on masculinity and unique modern problems facing men and boys, Dan talks with moderate evangelical radio host Brant Hansen about his book from a couple years back, which focuses on an alternative vision of masculinity that is nonetheless rooted in mainstream Christian understandings of gender. They discuss bell curve distributions of traits, biological differences between statistically average members of each biological sex, and Brant’s primary thesis that masculinity is about protecting the vulnerable and cultivating goodness for individuals within one’s own sphere of influence.

Brant’s Amazon Author Page:

https://www.amazon.com/stores/Brant-Hansen/author/B00P49MTEW?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Brant’s Book “Life is Hard, God is Good, Let’s Dance”:

https://www.amazon.com/Life-Hard-Good-Lets-Dance-ebook/dp/B0BYYXTNQ2

Brant & Sherri Oddcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1923-theyre-both-trays/id903615429?i=1000644214176

https://cure.org/

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Dan's Favorite Films & TV of 2023 (#236) Feb 05, 2024

In stride with recent episodes focused on I Think You Should Leave and Shiny Happy People, Dan shares his favorite TV series and films of 2023. Yes, he's a few weeks late, but his wife just had a baby in December! The information may yet prove useful to you, dear listeners. Dan shares what he loved the most and why, including any psychological or theological angles he enjoyed.

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GGCH: Under The Christmas Tree (#235) Feb 02, 2024

The guys are joined by Josh’s girlfriend Emily for a direct report on Gilbert Christmas Tree Sleepover 2023. Dan, Josh and Tony also play a round of “Bar, Bank, Church, or Dispensary,” consider ways they are becoming like their dads, and discuss Tony’s “no politics on hunting trips” rule.

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Still Christian: Tyson Motsenbocker & John Van Deusen (#234) Jan 29, 2024

In the inaugural “Still Christian” episode (more to come!), Dan talks with two of his favorite songwriters, personal friends Tyson Motsenbocker and John Van Deusen, who in addition to their own solo recording careers also play in Telephone Friends together. Dan explains the genesis of this new episode type, and all three talk about the reasons they consider themselves Christian, what the word “Christian” means to them, and the role their faith plays in their lives. In fact, the genesis of the idea for these “Still Christian” episodes came during a conversation Dan had with John at Tyson’s wedding reception, a story which Dan shares.

Dan's favorite tunes by John and Tyson: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7mdo7jHBJXcYUiB8wXzcrK?si=2b3d7e68500c43f9

Telephone Friends Spotify Page: https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=pEOaSqGGR2ei7CK-K5Nl1w

Tyson's Book "Where the Waves Turn Back": https://www.amazon.com/Where-Waves-Turn-Back-Pilgrimage/dp/1546003444

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Looking for Meaning in "I Think You Should Leave" (#233) Jan 25, 2024

Is there deep meaning to be found in absurdist comedy? Can shows like I Think You Should Leave prompt us into deep waters, or do they merely trigger shallow laughter and enjoyment? Returning guests Matt Wright and Kristen Tideman join Dan this week to find out as they discuss the first season of the Netflix comedy hit (and possibly Dan’s all-time favorite comedic television show) I Think You Should Leave.

I Think You Should Leave:

https://www.netflix.com/title/80986854

Matt's Spotify Artist Page:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4B4Remkbm9pHdBjZSeNfGC?si=API5fMyaSPWlBMtmNJI_vQ

Matt's Band "Telephone Friends" Artist Page:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=a7KdANkmT5abDEvCcYspfA

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Horror, Exorcisms & the Fear of God (#232) Jan 22, 2024

Does interaction with scary media "open us up to spiritual influence?" What do professional exorcists think that exorcism is actually "doing" for the possessed? Is there a legitimate role for "the fear of the Lord"? What are the benefits of telling and re-telling horrifying stories? Fuller Seminary's Kutter Callaway joins Dan this week to discuss questions like this and they discuss his podcast Be Afraid.

Kutter’s website:

https://www.kuttercallaway.com/

Be Afraid Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-afraid/id1704761081

Kutter’s Devotional “Don’t Look Away: The Horrors of Holy Scripture”: https://www.alabasterco.com/products/dont-look-away-the-horrors-of-holy-scripture

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Trump 2024 Anxiety (#231) Jan 15, 2024

Speaking as much to himself as to listeners, Dan goes through three common thinking errors, known in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as “cognitive distortions,” that he sees in news coverage around the possibility of a Donald Trump victory in 2024. Recognizing these distortions in the media as well as our own thoughts about the election and its results can 1) reduce our anxiety and 2) align our thoughts more fully with the reality that the future is uncertain but unlikely to be as catastrophic as we often assume. More episodes should come and will focus on additional cognitive distortions, as well as acceptance work.

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I Don't Believe in That God: Joy Vetterlein (#230) Jan 08, 2024

Dan continues the series by talking with former worship director and pastor's kid Joy Vetterlein.

Joy’s Website:

https://www.joyvetterlein.com/

Joy’s Instagram @joyvetterlein

Christian Smith’s Book “The Bible Made Impossible”:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+bible+made+impossible&hvadid=174278255243&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10981934186039507283&hvtargid=kwd-28154002665&hydadcr=24629_9648897&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_8ixu62s481_e

Lisa Miller’s Book “The Spiritual Child”:

https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Child-Parenting-Lifelong-Thriving/dp/1250033837/ref=asc_df_1250033837/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312681615521&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7860483979626910626&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-490869632576&psc=1&mcid=814a73c070cb34248a207f9bdfbd0336&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkeSsBhDUARIsAK3tiedxjquhk1AKP60qkSkQB76cAxQI-xqtiqQYfUENdfI4_IXKqo0yZHEaAgp2EALw_wcB

Molly Lacroix’s Episode “Un-Shaming Each Part of Ourselves”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000620549641

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When Religion Hurts You (#229) Jan 02, 2024

Dan is joined by Dr. Laura Anderson, a fellow spiritual abuse/religious trauma researcher whose new book When Religion Hurts You is a pretty great and concise summary of what is known today about religious trauma and its effects on humans. They define terms like “religious trauma” and “spiritual abuse” and talk about the benefits of religion, the failures of pop psychology, the difference between PTSD and Complex PTSD, and more.

Laura’s Book “When Religion Hurts You: Healing from Religious Trauma and the Impact of High-Control Religion”:

https://drlauraeanderson.com/book

Laura’s Website: https://drlauraeanderson.com/

https://www.traumaresolutionandrecovery.com/

Laura’s Podcast - Sunday School Dropouts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sunday-school-dropouts/id1689312239

The Varieties of Religious & Spiritual Abuse Episode with Paula Swindle (#90):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000498837671

Saved By the City Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saved-by-the-city/id1557930520

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The Quagmire of Modern Missions (#70) (Re-broadcast) Dec 26, 2023

*Re-broadcast* - The Quagmire of Modern Missions (#70)

Original Description:

I interview Jim and Breanna Randall, missionaries (if you want to call them that) in Myanmar. We talk about the various pitfalls that are present in modern day missions work (bad actors, psychologists breaking their oaths to do no harm, donor fragility, American/White Exceptionalism, and more), as well as some more hopeful potential ways forward.

CORRECTION: I said Jamie Lee Finch was the “Worst Missionary,” but that is actually Jamie Wright

Breanna’s Francis Chan piece: https://faithfullymagazine.com/myanmar-francis-chan-ministry/

Desmond Tutu Children’s Bible: https://smile.amazon.com/Children-Storybook-Bible-Archbishop-Desmond/dp/0310719127/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=desmond+tutu+bible&qid=1592798668&s=books&sr=1-1Unsettling Truths: https://smile.amazon.com/Unsettling-Truths-Dehumanizing-Doctrine-Discovery/dp/0830845259/ref=sr_1_2dchild=1&keywords=unsettling+truths&qid=1592798645&s=books&sr=1-2

Dangerous Territory: https://smile.amazon.com/Dangerous-Territory-Misguided-Quest-World/dp/1627075976/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=dangerous+territory&qid=1592798554&sr=8-1

Assimilate or Go Home: https://smile.amazon.com/Assimilate-Go-Home-Missionary-Rediscovering/dp/0062388800/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=assimilate+or+go+home&qid=1592798542&sr=8-1

Decolonizing Wealth: https://www.decolonizingwealth.com/

Breanna‘s twitter: @randallbreanna

Breanna’s Instagram: @br_randall

Kaitlin Curtice: https://kaitlincurtice.com/

Christina Cleveland: http://www.christenacleveland.com/

No White Saviors: https://nowhitesaviors.org/

Support the Randalls: https://burmachronicle.com/blog/

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Good News! The Bible Disagrees With Itself (#228) Dec 18, 2023

As Dan has wrestled with his understanding of the Bible over the years, one issue has taken center stage in his mind: the multivocality of Scripture. In other words: if we take the Bible as we find it, it becomes clear that voices of biblical writers are in disagreement and conversation with each other, across and even within books of the Bible. And, it turns out, many listeners are also curious about this topic. So what better focus for this conversation with New Testament scholar James F. McGrath. They get fairly nerdy and deep into biblical scholarship on this one, so fair warning!

James’ Book “The A to Z of the New Testament: Things Experts Know That Everyone Else Should Too”:

https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Things-Experts-Everyone/dp/0802882307

James’ Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/

James’s Twitter - @ReligionProf

“The Bible Made Impossible: Why Biblicism Is Not a Truly Evangelical Reading of Scripture”:

https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Made-Impossible-Biblicism-Evangelical/dp/158743329X

Keith Ward’s Book “What the Bible Really Teaches: A Challenge to Fundamentalists”:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Bible-Really-Teaches-Fundamentalists/dp/0281056803

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Deconstruction for Baby Boomers (#227) Dec 14, 2023

Dan continues his (occasional) focus on Faith deconstruction amid Baby Boomers by talking with Southern Californian Dan Gross. For the second half of this conversation, join the Patreon @ patreon.com/dankoch

Episodes Mentioned:

To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories #6:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214

The Argument for Universal Salvation #43 with Brad Jersak:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000455888818

Baby Boomer Deconstruction #158:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000568871042

Brian McLaren #170:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000589883284

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Has Self-Care Replaced Taking Up Your Cross? Part 2 (#226) Dec 12, 2023

Those of us who grew up with the Gospel's exhortation to “lay down your life” and “take up your cross” find modern culture constantly encouraging “self-care.” Is this helpful, like putting on our own oxygen masks before helping someone else, or mere selfishness in disguise? Are there limits to self-care or self-sacrifice? In today’s episode (Part 2) Matt Wright gets into this topic by way of discussing his diagnosis of Bipolar disorder.

Matt's Spotify Artist Page:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/4B4Remkbm9pHdBjZSeNfGC?si=API5fMyaSPWlBMtmNJI_vQ

Matt's Band "Telephone Friends" Artist Page:

https://open.spotify.com/artist/765e7kZUsgfGp40uxNCxE9?si=a7KdANkmT5abDEvCcYspfA

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Has Self-Care Replaced Taking Up Your Cross? (#225) Part 1 Dec 11, 2023

Those of us who grew up with the Gospels exhortation to “lay down your life” and “take up your cross” find modern culture constantly encouraging “self-care.” Is this helpful, like putting on our own oxygen masks before helping someone else, or mere selfishness in disguise? Are there limits to self-care or self-sacrifice? In today’s episode (Part 1), returning guest Andy Squires expresses some concern. Part 2 (featuring Matt Wright) drops tomorrow!

Andy’s “Worries About Progressive Christianity” Episode:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000617706730

Andy’s Website:

andysquyres.com

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Andy’s Linktree: https://linktr.ee/andysquyres

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Hell is a Psychological Construct (#224) Dec 04, 2023

Derek Kubilus, a Methodist minister, was surprised to find so much pain around the concept of Hell among his parishioners despite serving in a progressive denomination. This led him to write the new book “Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation” and to explore the concept and history of “Hell” without the baggage it is often accompanied by in more conservative spaces. Over time, humans seem to have come up with a maximally terrifying vision of Hell that goes well beyond anything in the Bible. Why? What role does it play? What does it accomplish?

Derek’s Book “Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation”:

https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Hell-against-Eternal-Damnation/dp/0802883176

Derek’s Podcast “Cross Over Q”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cross-over-q/id1551387779

Episode’s Mentioned:

To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories (#6):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214

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I Don't Believe in That God - Kathleen Tarrant (#223) Nov 27, 2023

Kathleen Tarrant, a Seattle music journalist who covered Mars Hill Church extensively, joins for another “I Don’t Believe In That God” episode with Dan. Kathleen was raised Catholic and finds some value in aspects of that experience, but these days finds herself outside of Christian/religious circles.

Kathleen’s The Stranger Page:

https://www.thestranger.com/authors/23297822/kathleen-tarrant?page=2

Kathleen’s Mars Hill Article:

https://www.thestranger.com/music/2015/12/23/23297826/how-christianity-infiltrated-seattles-music-scene-with-a-little-help-from-mars-hill-church-and-the-city-council

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Taylor Swift, Fame, and Panic Attacks: Q + A w/Kristen (#222) Nov 20, 2023

Our own Kristen Tideman (media and marketing) joins Dan for another Q&A session — for the full episode, join up at patreon.com/dankoch. Questions for Dan include:

- what got you into podcasting?

- will Taylor and Travis last?

- when did your panic attacks start, and what do they feel like?

- how do you think you would you handle fame?

- if you lost your hearing, what would you do for work?

The Feeling Good Handbook by David Burns:

https://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-Handbook-David-Burns/dp/0452281326

The Beatles “Now and Then”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opxhh9Oh3rg

Kristen’s Pretty Good Vibrations Episodes:

Walk Me Through: Bon Iver / Justin Vernon (Part 1):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000605159636

Walk Me Through: Bon Iver / Justin Vernon (Part 2):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pretty-good-vibrations/id1652779250?i=1000606357346

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Being a "Female Christian Writer" (#221) Nov 13, 2023

(First ever) FOUR-time guest Bonnie Kristian returns to talk about the different tiers of Christian publishing, which Dan thinks applies equally to podcasting. Embedded in this discussion is the fact that Bonnie is a Christian female writer… but she’s definitely not a “Christian female writer.” What is expected of these writers? Must they constantly “create content” populated by their shiny, happy children? What is lost when we force women into this mold?

Bonnie’s Article “On being a female Christian writer who is not 'a female Christian writer’":

https://bonniekristian.substack.com/p/on-being-a-female-christian-writer?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Bonnie’s Substack:

https://substack.com/@bonniekristian

Articles Mentioned:

https://cbmw.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1-2.pdf

https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/legalism-gender-roles-exhibit-c-piper-commentary

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/do-you-use-bible-commentaries-written-by-women

Bonnie’s previous YHP Episodes:

To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories (#6):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000428619214

Brad East’s Website:

https://www.bradeast.org/

To Consider Inerrancy, Infallibility & Inspiration (#21):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000437967133

Our Substantial Knowledge Crisis (#167):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000584513764

Brad East’s Website:

https://www.bradeast.org/

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GGCH: Is there a Masculinity Crisis? (Patreon Preview) Nov 09, 2023

Good times were had by all at this live-at-Theology-Beer-Camp special edition of the Generation Gap Culture Hour, the recurring Patreon-feed show where Dan is joined by Tony Jones and Josh Gilbert. Organized on the fly after Jars of Clay’s Dan Haseltine failed to arrive at camp, Dan put the question to Josh and Tony: Is there a “masculinity crisis” as has been reported in some corners of the media? If so, what constitutes this crisis? The best part of the episode, all three agree, was when the audience started getting involved (much of which is only available to Patreon subscribers, sorry!).

Articles Mentioned:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-transcript-richard-reeves.html

https://www.deseret.com/magazine/2022/11/9/23404485/boys-men-mental-health-masculinity-richard-reeves

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Worries About "Humanistic" Christianity (#220) Nov 06, 2023

Jed Payne (Church and Other Drugs Podcast) is back to continue the series of “Worries About…” episodes, this time on Jed’s concern that progressive Christianity might be too “humanistic” and not serious enough about human depravity. As always with Jed, it’s a great and incredibly candid conversation with a lot of much-appreciated vulnerability, especially on Jed’s end. They discuss OCD/religious scrupulosity, original sin/depravity, Jed’s felt need for God, and more.

Church and Other Drugs Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/church-other-drugs/id1191035186

Jed’s YHP Episode “From Addict to Addictions Counselor (#98)”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000503809998

The EXAMEN Prayer:

https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/examen-prayer-card/

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Israel & "End Times": A Full Treatment (#219) Oct 30, 2023

After Dan’s solo mini episode on Israel-Hamas and the “End Times” (as conceived of by Left Behind-style premillennial dispensationalist Protestants), he wanted to go further in-depth on the background of that particular theology and reading of apocalyptic texts within the Bible. Dan Hummel (University of Wisconsin Madison) was gracious enough to join on short notice, and the two cover the history of dispensationalism, alternate readings of key texts in Revelation and Daniel, how dispensationalism became so popular, and the prediction track record of the carious popularizers of this view (spoiler alert: it’s BAD). For more geopolitical context, please listen to Dan’s interview with Tim Whitaker over at The New Evangelicals:

Dan’s Website:

https://www.danielghummel.com/

The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism Book:

https://www.danielghummel.com/rise-and-fall-of-dispensationalism

Dan Hummel’s Episode on The New Evangelicals Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000631062869

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What Even is Existentialism? (#218) Oct 26, 2023

Aaron Simmons is back! This time, we are not talking so much about Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard, but rather in more general terms about the philosophical movement he began: existentialism. Or anyway, he kicked off modern European Existentialism. Since Tripp Fuller and I are gearing up for our “Live Before You Die: Existentialism in Psychology and Theology” online class, I wanted to talk with a philosopher about the original existentialist movement(s) to give all of us some context. I love this stuff, and Aaron is always a fantastic guest.

Camping with Kierkegaard Book:

https://www.amazon.com/Camping-Kierkegaard-Faithfulness-Way-Life/dp/B0CGWYN1F1

simmonsphilosopher@gmail.com

Previous Episode with Aaron:

“What Can We Learn from Kierkegaard? (#136)”

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000538928799

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End Times Popularity: Part 2 (#78) (Re-broadcast) Oct 24, 2023

Given recent events in Israel and Palestine, it is inevitable that Christians focused on the Rapture and a Left-Behind-style view of the “End Times” will begin to draw explicit connections between this war and the so-called “signs of Christ’s return.” Dan is planning at least one more episode on this topic, but in the meanwhile, these two episodes, featuring conversations with four Baby Boomers who lived through the Jesus Movement, ask the question, “Why was this End Times view so popular among this group?” Understanding their situation in the 70s and 80s can help us get a handle on the larger picture.

*Re-broadcast* - End Times Popularity: Part 2 (#78)

Original Description:

Part 2 of a series that addresses the question, “Why was End Times/Left Behind/Rapture theology *so popular* by the time we grew up in the 90s and 2000s?” Please start with Part 1, last week’s episode. My main argument: 1. The people whose evangelizing kicked off the Jesus Movement were primarily fundamentalists and they were themselves already very focused on biblical prophecy2. In the early 70s, there was enough global chaos and uncertainty, along with one very important “fulfilled prophecy” that made it seem plausible that the world might indeed be coming to a close3. By the time Left Behind came around in the 90s, that same Jesus Movement generation held the primary places of power and influence in Evangelical circles Covered in this episode:- The Jesus Movement generation were the ones with cultural power in the Evangelical world by the time Left Behind came out- A straightforward and literal reading of the Bible is always popular, especially in America, and it plays into a few common American characteristics- Where are they now? All four interviewees relay their current beliefs about the End Times- Sally answers some of the questions the original interview subjects answered in the End Times Anxiety series.

YHP End Times Related Episodes:

End Times Popularity Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000487665623

End Times Popularity Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000488367624

End Times Anxiety: Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000462348895

End Times Anxiety: Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463143577

End Times Anxiety: Part 3:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463784092

End Times Anxiety: Part 4:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000464463258

The New Evangelical Episodes on Understanding Israel and Palestine:

Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000630800157

Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000631062869

Part 3:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000631185579

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End Times Popularity: Part 1 (#77) (Re-broadcast) Oct 23, 2023

Given recent events in Israel and Palestine, it is inevitable that Christians focused on the Rapture and a Left-Behind-style view of the “End Times” will begin to draw explicit connections between this war and the so-called “signs of Christ’s return.” Dan is planning at least one more episode on this topic, but in the meanwhile, these two episodes, featuring conversations with four Baby Boomers who lived through the Jesus Movement, ask the question, “Why was this End Times view so popular among this group?” Understanding their situation in the 70s and 80s can help us get a handle on the larger picture.

*Re-broadcast* - End Times Popularity: Part 1 (#77)

Original Description:

Earlier this year, I released a 4-part series called End Times Anxiety, chronicling mental health and related challenges of younger folks who had been adversely affected by Left Behind and similar visions of the Rapture and end of the world within conservative Protestant theology and culture. Throughout working on that project, I found myself continually asking myself and others, “Why did they buy it in the first place? How did this thinking become *so popular*?” These two episodes are my attempt at answering that question, pulling from my own review of the available academic research as well as four interviews I conducted with Baby Boomers who had been a part of the Jesus Movement in the 1970s. My main argument is as follows:1. The people whose evangelizing kicked off the Jesus Movement were primarily fundamentalists and they were themselves already very focused on biblical prophecy2. In the early 70s, there was enough global chaos and uncertainty, along with one very important “fulfilled prophecy” that made it seem plausible that the world might indeed be coming to a close3. By the time Left Behind came around in the 90s, that same Jesus Movement generation held the primary places of power and influence in Evangelical circlesThis is not an exhaustive explanation, but it has helped me come up with a basic framework that helps me make sense of my 90s Left Behind-soaked experience. Hopefully, it might be helpful for you as well!

YHP End Times Related Episodes:

End Times Popularity Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000487665623

End Times Popularity Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000488367624

End Times Anxiety: Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000462348895

End Times Anxiety: Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463143577

End Times Anxiety: Part 3:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463784092

End Times Anxiety: Part 4:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000464463258

The New Evangelical Episodes on Understanding Israel and Palestine:

Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000630800157

Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000631062869

Part 3:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865?i=1000631185579

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Rediscovering Spirituality in Sobriety (#217) Oct 16, 2023

Dan's old college friend and country artist Sam Outlaw (born Sam Morgan) joins to talk about the role of his faith/spirituality in recovering from alcohol use disorder. Along the way, they discuss authoritative vs. nurturant parenting styles, messages they received about alcohol growing up Evangelical, some of the benefits of that upbringing, and the awkwardness inherent in many parachurch organizations. Dan also brings in some of the peer-reviewed research on 12-step programs and the role of spirituality in abstinence from drinking.

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The Israel-Palestine Conflict Is Not End Times Evidence (#216) Oct 10, 2023

In this brief solo episode, Dan shares some quick anxiety-relieving thoughts about the way that the unfolding Israel-Palestine conflict will inevitably, but falsely, be linked to predictions about the “End Times.”

End Times Anxiety: Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000462348895

End Times Anxiety: Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463143577

End Times Anxiety: Part 3:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000463784092

End Times Anxiety: Part 4:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000464463258

End Times Popularity Part 1:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000487665623

End Times Popularity Part 2:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000488367624

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Is it Deconstruction, or Running Away? (#215) Oct 09, 2023

Matthias Roberts joins me again! Previously we talked about healing from sexual shame; this week, he builds a bridge from that conversation to his new book Holy Runaways. After coming to terms (more or less) with sexuality issues, Matthias found that he and many of his friends were still unsure what to do with the whole “faith” thing. What was salvageable, and what were the stakes of ignoring this question? How can we avoid swapping one tribal manifesto for another?

Matthias’s Book “Holy Runaways”:

https://matthiasroberts.com/holyrunaways/

Matthias’s Book “Beyond Shame”:

https://matthiasroberts.com/beyondshame/

Sexual Shame (#67) with Matthias:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000476415323

To Critique Purity Culture (#22):

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000438857512

Denying & Embracing Emotions (#144) with Becky Castle Miller:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000550307589

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The Psychology of Christian Nationalism (#214) (Excerpt) Oct 05, 2023

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Psychotherapist Pamela Cooper-White shares about her book “The Psychology of Christian Nationalism." We talk about white supremacy, conscious and unconscious needs, motivating via fear, “crisis merchants,” and when to ask yourself questions like, "Am I the right person to have this convo?" or "Is this the right setting for this convo"?

Pamela’s Book “The Psychology of Christian Nationalism”: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Christian-Nationalism-People-Across/dp/1506482112\

Pamela’s Book “Exploring Practices of Ministry”: https://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Practices-Ministry-Foundations-Learning/dp/1451488939/ref=sr_1_1?crid=25OH51087TRPE&keywords=exploring+practices+of+ministry&qid=1696466135&s=books&sprefix=exploring+practices+of+ministry%2Cstripbooks%2C114&sr=1-1

“The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism” Episode with Pete Hill: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-psychology-of-religious-fundamentalism-34/id1448000113?i=1000448442686

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An Existential Road Trip with Tripp Fuller (#213) Oct 03, 2023

Dan and Tripp Fuller get themselves psyched for their upcoming online pop-up learning community on existentialism by sharing songs that remind them of death, isolation, freedom, meaning/meaninglessness, and courage.

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I Don't Believe in That God - Satanist Stephen Long (#212) Sep 26, 2023

On the most recent "I Don't Believe in That God," Dan talks with former Christian missionary and current minister in The Satanic Temple Stephen Bradford Long. Stephen defines Satanism as he and Dan discuss three or four options for what people imagine when they hear the term "Satanist." Stephen shares his story from Charismatic Presbyterianism, through mainline Protestantism, to atheism, and eventually to The Satanic Temple, which was formed in 2013 as a reformation of the more widely-popular Leveyan Satanism of the 20th century. What will Dan and Stephen ultimately agree and disagree about? Listen to find out!

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After Universalism, Why Does Religion Matter? (#211) Sep 21, 2023

Kristen’s back with Dan to ask some of your burning Q’s and get some A’s! After talking about the need or value of religion after believing no one goes to Hell, Kristen also asks:

If you could have a beer with one character from a Sci-Fi or Superhero or Fantasy genre who would it be and why?

What are you going to teach your kid about sex?

What are some meta-narratives in pop-culture that you enjoy that help us wrestle with some of life's important big questions?

What are boundaries and how can people actually set them?

How does an ex-pastor find a calling after deconstruction?

Greg Cootsona's Episode"The Church is Good for You" #119: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000522907595

Hell & Universalism in a Global Context (#84): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hell-universalism-in-a-global-context-84/id1448000113?i=1000492798796

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Is Christianity Inherently Toxic? (#210) Sep 18, 2023

Earlier this summer, some mild controversy around a video released by Pete Enns (Bible/Faith for Normal People) brought up some interesting questions. First, if someone has experienced a particularly “toxic” version of Christianity, how equipped are they to speak about the larger Christian tradition? Second, is all Christianity inherently “toxic” (and how do we define “toxic”)? In a dual-feed episode with Tim Whitaker of The New Evangelicals, Dan and Tim explore these questions.

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What Does a Healthy Spiritual Leader Even Look Like? (#209) Sep 11, 2023

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Dr. Steven Sandage (Boston University) joins Sarey Concepcion and myself for a fairly wide-ranging conversation about his own story and some of the topics he has focused on during his research career, including:

-Healthy Spiritual Leadership

-Spirituality as a way to maintain healthy relationships

-Attachment & differentiation

-How gender plays a role in healthy leadership

-Humility

-Unconscious loyalties

Steve’s Faculty Page: https://www.bu.edu/sth/profile/steven-j-sandage/

Daryl Van Tongeren’s YHP Ep “The Good of Religion Without the Bad”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000598265196

Daryl Van Tongeren YHP Episode “You Are Not Your Beliefs”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000618349369

Robert Moore’s Book “Facing the Dragon: Confronting Personal and Spiritual Grandiosity”: https://www.amazon.com/Facing-Dragon-Confronting-Spiritual-Grandiosity/dp/1630515086/ref=asc_df_1630515086/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343187902048&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7252849562841728375&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-569044490866&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=66484626902&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343187902048&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7252849562841728375&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-569044490866

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Why Are People Leaving The Church? (Patreon Preview) Sep 07, 2023

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Ex-pastor Brandon Flanery joins Dan to talk through his own research as to why people are currently leaving Christianity for non-Christian or non-religious waters. His sample skews young and LGBTQ-heavy, which is helpful for understanding the experience of sexual and gender minorities around this topic. Check out BrandonFlanery.com for more of his work.

Brandon’s Book “Stumbling: A Sassy Memoir about Coming Out of Evangelicalism”: https://www.lakedrivebooks.com/books/stumbling/

Brandon’s Article on why people are leaving Christianity (Baptist News Global): https://baptistnews.com/article/i-asked-people-why-theyre-leaving-christianity-and-heres-what-i-heard/

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Theology and the Trans Experience (#208) Sep 05, 2023

From a postmodern perspective, there is no entirely objective “view from nowhere.” The Evangelical tradition, however, presents itself as ahistorical and objective. Trans ordained priest Shannon Kearns reminds us that actively working to understand the history that has shaped current theological perspectives can help us see in what ways it has influenced how we live, vote, and interact with those unlike us. He does so in part by telling his own story and arguing that contextual theologies (trans, liberation, black, feminist, etc.) offer a way to nuance and develop our faith today. Engaging with new theologies may surprise us (we might not agree with Peter and Paul after all!) but may also lead us through a beautiful and worthy struggle.

In the Margins: A Transgender Man's Journey with Scripture book: https://www.amazon.ca/Margins-Transgender-Mans-Journey-Scripture/dp/0802879489

Shannon's Website: https://www.shannontlkearns.com/

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Christianity & Conspiracy Theories (#207) Aug 28, 2023

What makes a conspiracy theory? How does it differ from healthy skepticism? Mike Austin and Greg Bock, editors of QAnon, Chaos, and the Cross, join Dan to discuss everything from the “deep state” to why biblical literalism and Christian nationalism predict conspiratorial thinking. Insights into the psychology behind conspiratorial thinking can provide strategies for meaningful dialogue in today's complex world. The crew ends by providing some practical tools for navigating these conversations with loved ones.

“QAnon, Chaos, and the Cross” book: https://www.eerdmans.com/Products/8265/qanon-chaos-and-the-cross.aspx

Michale’s Website: https://michaelwaustin.com/

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The Role of Music in End-Times Culture (#206) Aug 21, 2023

How does music contribute to forming a community identity? Dan welcomes guest Matt Knight to talk about how “End Times” songs helped shape the cultural understanding of the Jesus Movement in the early ‘70s and beyond. Much like Billy Graham’s “Crusades,” powerful emotional experiences and songs played into the plausibility structures of this specific subculture, reinforcing the idea that Jesus was coming back soon. Dan and Matt examine songs by Larry Norman, Bob Dylan, Jackson Browne, and more.

Dan’s episode on the Bible For Normal People: https://thebiblefornormalpeople.com/interview-with-dan-koch-the-end-times-american-christian-culture/

End Time Anxiety EP1: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000462348895

End Time Popularity EP1: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000487665623

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To Be Gay Affirming (Deluxe Edition) (#205) Aug 14, 2023

**This is a deluxe rebroadcast of the "To Be Gay Affirming" episode**

In this “deluxe edition” of our original episode #10 (“To Be Gay Affirming”), Samantha Perez joins Dan for a special introduction on affirming churches, what progress is being made in Christian communities around LGBTQ issues, and changes in ethical plausibility structures — that is, what ethical approaches seem reasonable given a person or community’s changing circumstances over time. Be sure to also check out Samantha and Dan’s upcoming Patreon-only episode focused on her faith and gender journey.

Samantha's Twitter Handle @SkipSandwich

https://www.skipsandwichdx.com/

ORIGINAL EPISODE DESCRIPTION:

This is a tricky one, especially for those who have a genuine desire to take the Bible seriously. The argument for inclusion that J. R. Daniel Kirk presents, however, is one that I find convincing, and it is the best one of the many that I have read or heard (including by Matthew Vines, Gene Robinson, and others). Richard Hay's compassionate argument against affirmation is also presented. Many podcasts on this topic tend to focus on the emotional aspect of the issue, on the increased risk of suicide among queer teens, etc. I think those have their place, but for many Christians, we simply NEED a good argument about what to do with this stubborn text—the Bible—that really does seem to stand against homosexual activity. Daniel presents such an argument.

Find an open & affirming church: gaychurch.org

Margaret Farley 60 Minutes clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASG5kii-rI

James Brownson’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Gender-Sexuality-Reframing-Relationships/dp/0802868630https://twitter.com/jrdkirk

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Is "Shiny Happy People" Anti-Religion? (#204) Aug 10, 2023

In this last episode reviewing Shiny Happy People, Dan and Mark talk about their overall impressions of the series as well as the heavy-hitting episode topics. They discuss the surprising research on content/trigger warnings, the series’s insinuation that Josh Duggar’s sexual repression led to his eventual acting out, the Joshua Generation Project, and overall assumptions regarding the motives of those featured in the documentary, noting that people are often more psychologically complex than they initially seem.

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Trigger warnings meta-review: https://osf.io/qav9m/download

https://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/why-predators-watch-child-pornography/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147756/

Religious priming review: https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~ara/Manuscripts/ReligiousPrimingMetaanalysis.pdf

Culture War Christianity episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000434412065

Mark's Website: http://www.markscandrette.com/

Shiny Happy People Doc: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B8TR2QV5?ref=DVM_US_DL_SL_GO_AST_SHPL23_mkw_s-dc&mrntrk=pcrid_661333345146_slid__pgrid_148685833846_pgeo_9060341_x__adext__ptid_kwd-2080177786042&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs6lBhCxARIsAG8YcDjOR_JowUp4AIO6X1sdtfQVa1WHUoPgwpQv5ZkaXx4jODFvd3kpNP0aArlJEALw_wcB

Episode #122 - Authoritative vs. Nuturant Religion: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000525427433

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Is Anxiety Always Bad? (#203) Aug 07, 2023

Even Jesus had anxiety in his life, so why are we so set on avoiding it? Theologian, author, and host of the Good Faith podcast Curtis Chang joins Dan to discuss his new book, The Anxiety Opportunity, and how we can navigate the (sometimes frightening) inevitability of loss and change. Instead of seeing anxiety as a problem to be solved by “praying” or “prescribing” it away, Curtis shows us how our feelings of uncertainty might serve as meaningful signposts in our lives.

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Shiny Happy People: Was Bill Gothard A Cult Leader? (#202) Aug 03, 2023

In episode three of the Shiny Happy People series, the story turns from the general teachings of the Institute for Basic Life Principles to more specific instances of power and abuse, such as unpaid labor from the Duggar children and Bill Gothard's grooming of sexual assault victims. Dan and Mark offer their own PSAs on cults, “brainwashing,” and the difficulty of accurately assuming individual motivations.

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What Should "Spiritual Exiles" Do Now? Q&A with Kristen (#201) Jul 31, 2023

Dan’s "infinity hangover", climate change, and the difference between psychiatrists and therapists: these are just some of the topics Kristen and Dan dig into in this Q&A ep! What options for those looking for new spiritual homes? How did Dan meet Tony? Would Dan remain a Christian even if religion didn’t end up being a net positive for wellbeing? Step into the realm of experimental inquiry as we embark on this Q&A adventure!

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Resources:

Gaychurch.org

Churchclarity.com

https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/register/

Meetup.com

Values worksheet: https://www.actmindfully.com.au/upimages/VALUED_Living_Questionnaire_-_adapted.pdf

Volunteermatch.org

https://yecaction.org/

Articles mentioned:

https://www.queertheology.com/community-after-leaving-church/

https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/6/4/18644764/church-religion-atheism-secularism

https://psyarxiv.com/fsujg/ (Religious Residue)

Episodes mentioned:

YHP #103 with Mark Karris - Religious Disorientation & Growth: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000508185614

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Shiny Happy People: Are Children Born Evil? (#200) Jul 27, 2023

Episode 2 of Shiny Happy People depicts Gothard's obedience teaching and child discipline, including spanking and the “break their will” approach. Paired with a deep fear of God’s punishment, Dan and Mark discuss how violent approaches like spanking confuse children and can even cross the line into spiritual abuse.

Part 2 (Patreon feed–subscribe to access) dives deeper into the “umbrellas of authority,” as well as grooming language and the sexual abuse as it occurred in the Duggar household.

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www.reimagine.org/#overview

YHP #37 - What Comes After Purity Culture?: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000450839620

More Purity Culture resources: https://www.soyouredeconstructing.com/topics/sex-and-purity-culture

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Are All Religions Weird About Science? (#199) Jul 24, 2023

The link between science and Christianity is frequently misunderstood, or understood as being "in conflict." This doesn’t have to be! Greg Cootsona, returning guest and author of Science and Religions in America: A New Look (Rutledge, 2023), nuances our understanding of how Christianity and other religions interact with scientific developments, both in the present day and throughout history. Where do different religious traditions find commonality? How can Christians engage with other faiths? What should the "spiritual but not religious" do?

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More books by Greg: https://www.routledge.com/search?author=Greg%20Cootsona

Greg’s other episodes:

Hell & Universalism in a Global Context #84: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000492798796
Church is Good for You #119: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000522907595

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Shiny Happy People: Did Bill Gothard Create Pedophiles? (#198) Jul 17, 2023

Welcome to Part 1 of this highly-requested series of response episodes to the Amazon docuseries Shiny Happy People. For these response episodes, Dan is joined by former Bill Gothard-ite Mark Scandrette. Much like the Duggar family of TLC reality series fame (“16 and Counting”), Mark was raised in the homeschool culture described in the SHP series and began his family life under Gothard’s teachings. Over the next few weeks, Dan and Mark will release four episodes, each in response to an episode of the Amazon series.

This week, the two set up the context for the SHP and discuss episode one specifics, including the cultural influence and mindset of the Duggars (birth control does not cause miscarriages!), authority structures, the prosperity gospel, and homeschool culture. Dan also addresses some of the psychological realities at play: binary thinking, the fragility of purity culture, and healing through dialogue. Dan includes a "PSA" to address factual inaccuracies and misconceptions presented in the episode.

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Un-Shaming Each Part of Ourselves (#197) Jul 10, 2023

It’s natural to try to protect ourselves from perceived threats. Historically, this instinct has helped us survive and navigate risk. But sometimes, creating the feeling of safety, specifically in the midst of faith changes, can come at the cost of ignoring valuable parts of ourselves. Using the model of Internal Family Systems, author and therapist Molly LaCroix helps us learn to look at all parts of our internal “family” with compassion and realize that each part plays a crucial role.

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Molly’s Book “Restoring Relationship: Transforming Fear into Love Through Connection”: https://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Relationship-Transforming-Through-Connection/dp/B08H3VDPG/ref=asc_df_B08KH3VDPG/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509467422400&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10079099000795160328&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-1238153395654&psc=1

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Re-Engaging a Problematic Faith (#196) Jul 03, 2023

Joining me today is author, professor (Toronto School of Theology), and theologian Natalie Wigg-Stevenson to discuss her book "Transgressive Devotion.” Natalie asks, "What theological claims are we making, and how are they contributing to how we keep producing theological knowledge?" Her free online “devotional” is made up of three modules, each of which we discuss: going from abandonment toward presence, from fear toward risk, and from certainty toward doubt.

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Natalie’s Book “Transgressive Devotion Theology as Performance Art in 2021” (Paperback):https://www.amazon.com/Transgressive-Devotion-Theology-Performance-Art/dp/033405947X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=9780334059479&linkCode=qs&qid=1687812111&s=books&sr=1-1

Natalie’s Faculty Page: https://www.tst.edu/directory/faculty/wigg-stevenson-natalie

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You Are Not Your Beliefs (#195) Jun 26, 2023

We continue our occasional "intellectual humility" series, and this one went DEEP. Joining me were Sarey Martin Concepción and Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren (Hope College), who says that humility “is about being the right size in a situation” and “starts with psychological security." We touch on cognitive limitations and what the research says about intellectual humility and spiritual leaders.

Daryl's Faculty Page:

https://hope.edu/directory/people/van-tongeren-daryl/index.html

Daryl’s Book “Humble: Free Yourself from the Traps of a Narcissistic World“:

https://www.amazon.com/Humble-Yourself-Traps-Narcissistic-World/dp/1615198571/ref=asc_df_1615198571/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=564704733009&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13435967084262869039&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-1602581144540&psc=1

Sarey’s Blueprint 1543 page:

https://blueprint1543.org/about/about-sarey-martin-concepcion/

YHP "Intellectual Humility" Episode #184:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000608179436

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Worries About Progressive Christianity - Andy Squyres (#194) Jun 20, 2023

Joining us for another WAPC episode is author, songwriter, and dynamic Instagram presence Andy Squyres (that’s the best term I can think of!). Andy says, "We live in an age where nothing can be said without it being contested," and "I see many people not finding the answers within deconstruction that deconstructionism promises." We talk about worries around pop-culture mental health work, a sometimes never-ending focus on doubt, and alternatives that are neither Christian orthodoxy nor nihilism.

andysquyres.com

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Andy’s Linktree: https://linktr.ee/andysquyres

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Hellish Religious Trauma & Its Treatment (#193) Jun 12, 2023

Returning for a 3rd time is author and therapist Dr. Mark Karris to discuss his book "The Diabolical Trinity: Healing From a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self." Mark's work fleshes out the damaging effects of certain doctrines of hell and his research offers several approaches to healing from theologically-tinged mental health issues. We discuss different therapeutic modalities that are well-suited to religious trauma work, like Internal Family Systems and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, as well as memory consolidation, self-compassion, and more.

**Dr. Karris’s definition of religious trauma was an adapted version based on that of Laura Anderson & Brian Peck (Religious Trauma Institute) and Kendra Snyder & Kayla Felten (Reclamation Collective).

MarkGregoryKarris.com

Mark's book "The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self": https://www.amazon.com/Diabolical-Trinity-Religious-Wrathful-Tormenting-ebook/dp/B0BYPHQ4WX

Mark’s 1st Episode "Toxic Christianity" & Its Damaging Claims (#45)”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000457113992

Mark’s 2nd Episode “Religious Disorientation & Growth (#103)”:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/songs-stories-podcast/id807519271?i=1000614029771

YHP “The Hell Anxiety Scale (#64)” Episode:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000457113992

YHP Episode #43 with Brad Jersak:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/songs-stories-podcast/id807519271?i=1000614029771

Unlocking the Emotional Brain book: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=unlocking+the+emotional+brain&hvadid=409952031487&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=7771513243401502275&hvtargid=kwd-41529286341&hydadcr=24625_11409876&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_7rr6fx6si5_e

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How Should We Think About Spiritual Experiences? (#192) Jun 05, 2023

Joining me today is Dale C. Allison Jr., Professor of New Testament (Princeton Theological Seminary), to discuss his book "Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age." We cover materialism, empiricism, and the prevalence of mystical, spiritual, and/or “unitive” experiences. Dale says that “people's experiences are stranger and weirder, more mystical and terrible than we usually think.” I agree with him that we need to take such experiences seriously, and Dale and I both speak about some of our own. I am less convinced than he is, however, that most of these experiences are veridical, that is, that they point us to accurate truth claims (I’ll be discussing this issue more in the months to come).

Dale’s Faculty Page:

https://www.ptsem.edu/people/dale-c-allison-jr

Dale’s Book “Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age:

https://www.amazon.com/Encountering-Mystery-Religious-Experience-Secular/dp/0802881882/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GFLY57GB8MWZ&keywords=Encountering+Mystery+dale+allison&qid=1685479203&s=books&sprefix=encountering+mystery+dale+allison%2Cstripbooks%2C101&sr=1-1

Dale’s Book “The Historical Christ and the Theological Jesus”:

https://www.amazon.com/Historical-Christ-Theological-Jesus/dp/0802862624

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All About Ritual (#191) May 30, 2023

Today we're talking all about ritual with psychologist Laird Edman, who researches the cognitive science of religion, critical thinking, and emotional intelligence at Northwestern College. “People have all kinds of physiological experiences when they engage in rituals,” he says. “It taps into our endorphins" and "helps calm and de-stress people." We cover imagistic versus doctrinal ritual, orthopraxy over orthodoxy, the meaning behind rituals, and more.

Laird’s Faculty Page:

https://www.nwciowa.edu/psychology/faculty/laird-edman#:~:text=Laird%20Edman%20Professor%20of%20Psychology%3B%20Department%20Chair&text=Laird%20Edman%20specializes%20in%20the,teaching%20and%20assessing%20critical%20thinking

Blueprint 1543 Episode with Laird:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psych-for-theology-ministry-laird-edman/id1541066188?i=1000594724069

Dimitris Xygalatas NPR Piece on Ritual:

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/13/1122796534/rituals-are-important-to-human-life-even-when-they-seem-meaningless

Dimitris Xygalatas’s book on Ritual: https://www.amazon.com/Ritual-Seemingly-Senseless-Worth-Living/dp/0316462403

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Growing Up Among "Sweaty Pentecostals" (#190) May 23, 2023

In today's long overdue conversation, I talk with author Chris Green (Professor of Public Theology at Southeastern University - Lakeland, FL). Chris explains being raised in Pentecostalism (the focus of our conversation), discussing the radical embodied aspects of its spiritualized expression of faith. Chris says, "We can't stop making myths and stories about ourselves and assigning meaning."

Dr. Chris Green’s Website: https://www.cewgreen.com/

Chris' Substack: https://substack.com/@cewgreen

Lent Sermon Series: https://macrinamagazine.com/issues/lent-sermon-series/

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LIVE: Is Christianity Worth Passing On? (#189) May 15, 2023

This episode is the final panel from our live event in Seattle featuring "The Big Five" (Sarah Lane Ritchie, Sarey Concepción, Tripp Fuller, Myron Penner, and Dan Koch).

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Is Radical Conversion God's Back-Up Plan? (#188) May 08, 2023

Re-joining me today is author, therapist, and researcher Krispin Mayfield to discuss his book "Attached to God: A Practical Guide to Deeper Spiritual Experience." “Attachment science” applied to our relationship to God is a topic of emerging interest for me personally. We talk through attachment trauma, the latest research findings, and how our nervous systems adapt depending on attachment style.

Krispin's Book: Attached to God: https://www.amazon.com/Attached-God-Practical-Spiritual-Experience/dp/0310363799

YHP - Christian Heavy Music Episode with Krispin & Matt Carter: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000543364775

Still Face Experiment: https://www.gottman.com/blog/research-still-face-experiment/

Dr. Sue Johnson’s "Love Sense" Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyCHT9AbD_Y&t=4s

"A Gentler God" by Doug Frank: https://www.amazon.com/Gentler-God-Doug-Frank/dp/0732404304

"Atonement and the New Perspective" by Stephen Burnhope: https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-New-Perspective-Stephen-Burnhope/dp/153264647X

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Walk Me Through: Jesus Movement Music ’67-’79 (Part 2) (#187) May 02, 2023

This is a dual-feed episode, also being released on my music-focused podcast Pretty Good Vibrations.

Ever wondered how White Evangelical Protestants got the way they are? The music that generation created played an outsized role in the formation of their subculture, one that would come to dominate a large chunk of American sociopolitics in the coming 6 decades. And you know what? Some of it rules. (Some emphatically does not.) Lindsay Strannigan (Holy Ghosting Podcast, formerly of The Militia Group) joins me to break down this movement from a musicological angle over two parts, focusing on music released between 1967 and 1979, right up to the moment when Contemporary Christian Music truly emerges as its own cultural force (for better and for worse).

Spotify playlist for today's episode: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3mBO62jRRLcNgrGOqtwVFf?si=b5a1da6edeb04f58

Holy Ghosting Podcast: https://www.holyghosting.com/

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Walk Me Through: Jesus Movement Music ’67-’79 (Part 1) (#187) May 01, 2023

This is a dual-feed episode, also being released on my music-focused podcast Pretty Good Vibrations. Part 2 drops tomorrow!

Ever wondered how White Evangelical Protestants got the way they are? The music that generation created played an outsized role in the formation of their subculture, one that would come to dominate a large chunk of American sociopolitics in the coming 6 decades. And you know what? Some of it rules. (Some emphatically does not.) Lindsay Strannigan (Holy Ghosting Podcast, formerly of The Militia Group) joins me to break down this movement from a musicological angle over two parts, focusing on music released between 1967 and 1979, right up to the moment when Contemporary Christian Music truly emerges as its own cultural force (for better and for worse).

Spotify playlist for today's episode: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3mBO62jRRLcNgrGOqtwVFf?si=b5a1da6edeb04f58

Holy Ghosting Podcast: https://www.holyghosting.com/

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LIVE: Spiritual Technologies & Toxic Theologies (#186) Apr 24, 2023

Sarah Lane Ritchie joins me in Seattle Live to kick off the YHP mini-con with a conversation about the current state of research into “spiritual technologies” like psychedelic drugs. Sarah also shares new heart-wrenching details about the role of toxic theology in her mother’s final months.

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Between the Church & the World (#185) Apr 17, 2023

I'm joined today by journalist and author Jon Ward (previous YHP & Depolarize guest) to discuss his book "Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation." We cover using language as a weapon, epistemic modesty, and falling under the spell of a charismatic leader. Jon did not grow up "amid corrupt charlatans who use the name of God to amass riches. The leaders in [his] world were true believers whose intensity of belief blinded them to their errors."

Jon's Book "Testimony": https://www.amazon.com/Testimony-Inside-Evangelical-Movement-Generation/dp/1587435772

YHP Episode with Jon Ward: https://anchor.fm/s/d8dfa4e8/podcast/rss

Jon's substack: https://jonward.substack.com/

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Intellectual Humility (#184) Apr 10, 2023

Today Sarey Concepción and I are joined by Joshua N. Hook, author and Psychologist (University of North Texas in Denton), to discuss his work in "intellectual humility." Josh says, "A lot of times, we are really certain and sure what we believe is right, and that's not always in our best interests." We discuss careful thinking, ideological conformity towards in-group/out-group, valuing relationships over epistemic accuracy, and more.

Josh’s Website: https://joshuanhook.com/

Josh’s Faculty Page: https://psychology.unt.edu/content/joshua-hook

Josh’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/JoshHook

Homebrewed Christianity Episode with Ryan Burge: https://trippfuller.com/2022/05/06/ryan-burge-myths-about-religion-and-politics/

Northwind Seminary: www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

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Mini Conference Debrief Apr 03, 2023

Kristen Tideman and Josh Gilbert join Dan to debrief the recent in-person YHP Mini-conference in Seattle.

Northwind Seminary: www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

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I Don't Believe in that God: Joey Holman (Man on Man) (Re-broadcast) Mar 27, 2023

*Re-broadcast* - I Don't Believe in that God: Joey Holman (Man on Man) (#118)

Another installment of one of my favorite types of episodes, where I chat with people who don't identify as Christian. Oftentimes, I also don't believe in the God that they don't believe in. Joey Holman (ex-Cool Hand Luke) is one half of the Polyvinyl Records duo Man on Man, alongside his boyfriend Roddy Bottum (Faith No More). He grew up in a broken home outside Atlanta, found Evangelical Christianity in his teens, experienced dissonance around his gay sexuality, and eventually did some therapy and gained a lot of insight about his journey. I truly enjoyed our wide-ranging conversation.

Man on Man (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/album/6AnxYVoP4KPB14VjBnwYbd?si=53a17ebde4b34ac0

Joey IG: https://www.instagram.com/holmanholmanholman

Man on Man IG: https://www.instagram.com/manonmanmusic

Northwind Seminary: www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

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The Importance of Curiosity (#183) Mar 20, 2023

In an episode topic that should surprise no listeners of this show (ha!), Lore Ferguson Wilbert joins me today to discuss her book "A Curious Faith: The Questions God Asks, We Ask, and We Wish Someone Would Ask Us." Lore (pronounced “Lori”) aims to champion curiosity, especially in faith settings where doubt and asking questions aren't often encouraged or even allowed. She says, “Curiosity is kindness because it leads to healing". We cover some mechanisms that inhibit curiosity, like cultural taboos, technology, fear of the unknown, and partisanship.

Lore’s Website: lorewilbert.com

“A Curious Faith” Book: https://www.amazon.com/Curious-Faith-Questions-Someone-Would/dp/1587435691/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk7ugBhDIARIsAGuvgPb7dL_cCO8JxkMAIU4xl6iCOT-H8I0yCBrUmUWNgTqNfiP1JJ4lr_EaAgNmEALw_wcB&hvadid=241626459542&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=15548315582689857757&hvtargid=kwd-201740026612&hydadcr=22532_10353775&keywords=curious+faith&qid=1678723641&sr=8-1

“My Grandmother's Hand” Book by Resmaa Menakem: https://www.amazon.com/My-Grandmothers-Hands-Racialized-Pathway/dp/B08SFP773T/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk7ugBhDIARIsAGuvgPZSNJZdNgegub-QmDMXcLJC3vrtUzZ0Q1ygDrwPv4jrk4qfyKwpNEsaAl6rEALw_wcB&hvadid=321911793981&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=15550108997234900723&hvtargid=kwd-605848025420&hydadcr=22561_10346245&keywords=my+grandmother%27s+hand&qid=1678723580&sr=8-1

Northwind Seminary: www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

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"Loving the Hell Out of Ourselves" (#182) Mar 13, 2023

Co-authors and sisters Elaine Heath (former guest) and Janine Heath McGlynn join me to discuss their co-authored memoir "Loving the Hell Out of Ourselves." They start the book with a statement of purpose, "Our heartfelt hope is that this book helps you, our readers, to know that love, not shame, not fear, not hate, not damnation, love is God's meaning." We cover subjects like poverty & neglect, patriarchal authority structures, and the role of faith in healing from abusive home environments.

Northwind Open & Relational Theology Center: https://www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

“Loving the Hall Out of Ourselves” Book: https://www.amazon.com/Loving-Hell-Out-Ourselves-memoir/dp/1736845527

Elaine’s Website: https://www.elaineaheath.org/

YHP Ep #143 “The Church of the Future” with Elaine: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000548816259

“The Body Keeps the Score” Book: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+body+keeps+score&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6rCgBhDVARIsAK1kGPJWYNurphJ7pvFitjdFQz-JQ3E0ulK0LjuvE7pIqaq6SABFVqc7ZdMaAi7yEALw_wcB&hvadid=616991171471&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9019667&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=5613553688352369879&hvtargid=kwd-6817364741&hydadcr=24634_13611738&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_1rceqz04c6_e

“Fits, Trances, & Visions” Book by Ann Taves: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691010243/fits-trances-and-visions

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Worries About Deconstruction - Josh Porter (Showbread) (#181) Mar 06, 2023

Josh Porter (Showbread) joins me today for one of our "Worries About Deconstruction" episodes to talk about his book "Death to Deconstruction: Reclaiming Faithfulness as an act of Rebellion." Despite some agreement, this conversation delves into our fundamental disagreements around objective truth claims, personal doctrines, and Christian orthodoxy.

Northwind Open & Relational Theology Center: https://www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

Josh’s Website: https://www.joshuasporter.com

Josh’s Books: https://www.joshuasporter.com/books

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Working Out Trauma Through Music (#180) Feb 27, 2023

*This episode is not about trauma-focused music therapy, but rather the language festival-goers use around trauma and healing*

In today's dual-feed release (also on my Pretty Good Vibrations Podcast), ethnomusicologist and author Nathan Myrick (Ph.D., Baylor University) joins me to discuss his research project studying the community surrounding Furnace Fest, a faith-adjacent heavy music festival held in Alabama. Nathan’s work focuses on "understanding humanity through the music they make, engage, and participate in." In a surprisingly emotional conversation for me, we cover the lasting effects the Christian punk/hardcore scene has had on so many people.

Nathan's Website: nathanmyrick.com

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Empty Altars: American Saints in a Cynical Age (#179) Feb 20, 2023

Diana Butler Bass and Tripp Fuller join me today to discuss "Empty Altars," their 6-Week Lenten Exploration of little-known American “saints.” Diana asks, “What spiritual practices, what theological languages, what kinds of stories are motivating people in a multicultural, religiously pluralistic society?” and "How can we find goodness, beauty, and justice?" Through a lens of heroism, we cover how cynicism erodes gratitude and how "awe" plays a role in engaging with these stories.

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Empty Altars Website: https://theonlygodordainedsurvey.com/emptyaltars/

Diana’s Website: https://dianabutlerbass.com/

Tripp’s Website: https://trippfuller.com/

Tripp’s Podcast “Homebrewed Christianity”: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/homebrewed-christianity-podcast/id276269040

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Rapture Culture & Mainline Futures (#178) Feb 13, 2023

Joining me today is author Amy Frykholm to discuss her research on rapture culture and the future of mainline Protestantism. Amy suggests questions like "How do we not get attached to our forms?", "How do we continue to be willing to experiment?" and "How do we focus on what really matters?" We discuss embodied religious expression, the alienation doubt can bring, and the Left Behind Series' effect on rapture culture.

Amy’s Website: https://amyfrykholm.com/

Amy’s Podcast “In Search Of”: www.christiancentury.org/insearchof

Daniel Silliman's book "Reading Evangelicals: How Christian Fiction Shaped a Culture and a Faith": www.amazon.com/Reading-Evangelicals-Christian-Fiction-Culture/dp/0802879357

Daniel Silliman's YHP Episode "Reading Christian Fiction": https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000541970308

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The Good of Religion Without the Bad? (#177) Feb 06, 2023

Tony Jones and I are joined by Jeff Green (Virginia Commonwealth University) and Daryl Van Tongeren (Hope College) to ask the vital question, "How can we get the benefits of religion without the potential dangers of religion?" Together we investigate what factors contribute to religion's positive and negative outcomes. Through this lens, we discuss ideological homogeneity, our need for certainty, cognitive dissonance, and how meaning-making can be such a strong motivator.

Jeff's Faculty Page: https://psychology.vcu.edu/people/faculty/green.html

Daryl's Faculty Page: https://hope.edu/directory/people/van-tongeren-daryl/index.html

Daryl's Book "Humble: Free Yourself from the Traps of a Narcissistic World": https://www.amazon.com/Humble-Yourself-Traps-Narcissistic-World/dp/1615198571

Tony's Website: https://reverendhunter.com/

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All About Bible Canonization (#176) Jan 30, 2023

My guests today are Shelby and Nate Hansen, co-hosts of the Almost Heretical Podcast, to talk Biblical canonization. Shelby says, "Scripture is supposed to aid us in making the world better, and it's not an end in and of itself." Driven by canon-specific patron questions, this conversation covers things like inspiration, orthodoxy, the Apocrypha, and more.

https://almostheretical.com/

Almost Heretical Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/almost-heretical/id1330499441

A High View of Scripture Book: https://www.amazon.com/Scripture-Authority-Formation-Evangelical-Ressourcement/dp/0801027780

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Orphaned by Evangelicalism (#175) Jan 23, 2023

Today I'm joined for a rare in-person chat with author and long-time friend Sara Billups to discuss her new book "Orphaned Believers: How a Generation of Christian Exiles Can Find the Way Home." Using the text to structure our conversation, Sara shares about the impact of being raised Evangelical in the 80s and 90s. We cover consumerism, sensationalism, fear, exceptionalism, and more.

Sara’s Website: https://www.sarabillups.com/about-sara

Orphaned Believers Book: https://www.sarabillups.com/orphaned-believers

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Helping Kids Know God in Healthy Ways (#174) Jan 16, 2023

My guest today, Meredith Ann Miller, is an author, pastor, and parent with over 20 years of experience in children's ministry and curriculum. Well-steeped in empirical research, Meredith's work offers ideas like "Your faith questions are wonderful and worthy; Nothing needs to be solved today," and "You are connecting your good kid to the God that made them so." We also cover listener questions addressing therapeutic moralistic deism, cultivating a trust-based paradigm in raising children, and more.

Pre-order Meredith's Book: "Woven: Nurturing a Faith Your Kid Doesn't Have to Heal From": https://www.amazon.com/Woven-Nurturing-Faith-Your-Doesnt/dp/1546004351

Meredith's for kids "Ask Away" Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ask-away/id1517893876

The Very Good Gospel by Lisa Sharon Harper: https://lisasharonharper.com/the-very-good-gospel/

Love & Perfectionism in Raising Kids Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000582889496

Church Is Good For You Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000522907595

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Conscientious Objectors to the Culture Wars (#173) Jan 09, 2023

I am joined today by my friend Zach Bolen, vocalist and songwriter of the band Citizens. As long as he’s writing songs about his faith, Zach feels that he must “write songs that are bringing people to a table, rather than trying to push people further away." We discuss Christian music industry pressure, Zach's experience working at Mars Hill Church, cultivating diverse ideological relationships, and more.

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What Post-Evangelical Leaders Think (#172) Jan 02, 2023

Today I'm joined by three friends and collaborators — Sarey Concepción, Myron Penner & Kristen Tideman — to discuss the findings of a survey we conducted for leaders in the Post-Evangelical world. We asked questions like "What is the most helpful thing the post-Evangelical community can do for its own community members?", "What do you see as the top redeeming qualities (if any) of mainstream evangelicalism?" and "What might a healthy future for organized Christianity look like (if you think such a thing is desirable)?" Discussing the survey’s findings, we cover topics like potential blind spots, physical vs. virtual gatherings, and the future of the post-evangelical movement.

Homebrewed Christianity’s Theology Beer Camp Debrief Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/homebrewed-christianity-podcast/id276269040?i=1000583231654

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Habit, Virtue, Prayer & Science (Re-broadcast) Dec 26, 2022

*Re-broadcast* - Habit, Virtue, Prayer & Science (#83)

Bradley Wright is a Protestant professor of sociology at the University of Connecticut where he studies American Christianity, spirituality, and well-being. Sofia Corozza is a Catholic phd student at Cambridge studying child neurodevelopment. Also, she is Brad’s goddaughter, which makes for a lovely interplay between the two of them. So why care about habits and virtue? Aren’t these old fashioned notions? Well, habits are very closely linked to positive change of all sorts, and if there is one thing missing at least in our *public* life these days, virtue might top that list. Prayer seems to interact with both of these concepts regularly, and I am always asking: what is the science behind each of these? What do we know and with how much confidence?

Sofia’s Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/synapsesofthesoul/

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Grief & Christian Grief Rituals (#171) Dec 19, 2022

Joining me today is Amanda Held Opelt, sister of Rachel Held Evans, to talk about her book "A Hole in the World: Finding Hope in Rituals and Grief of Healing." After a season of multiple losses, Amanda found herself studying grief rituals. We talk about what she learned and consequently wrote about. We also cover her experience with international aid work, making meaning out of suffering, resilience in the context of high trauma, and more.

Amanda’s Website: http://amandaheldopelt.com/

Amanda's episode on The Bible for Normal People: ://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bible-for-normal-people/id1215420422?i=1000574596668

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Brian McLaren (#170) Dec 12, 2022

In today's long overdue conversation, I speak with best-selling author & speaker Brian D. McLaren about his book "Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned." Brian says, "In a period of rapid cultural and intellectual change, having a religion that's set up and run by change-averse people creates an interesting set of challenges." We address some of the book's questions, like "Why go?", "Why stay?", and "How do we move forward?" We also cover topics like adaptability, lack of transformation, and choosing not to play by traditional hermeneutic 'rules of the game.'

Brian's Website: https://brianmclaren.net/

Do I Stay Christian Book: https://www.amazon.com/Do-Stay-Christian-Disappointed-Disillusioned/dp/1250262798/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=do+i+stay+christian+by+brian+mclaren&qid=1670695731&sprefix=Do+i+stay+%2Caps%2C96&sr=8-1

A New Kind of Christianity Book: https://www.amazon.com/New-Kind-Christianity-Questions-Transforming/dp/0061853992

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Why I Am (Still) a Christian (Re-broadcast) Dec 05, 2022

*Re-broadcast* - Why I Am (Still) a Christian (#60)

I’m joined by my dear friend Ben Bishop, who is both a fantastic interviewer in his own right and a former patron-only episode guest. I asked Ben to interview me on the topic of why I am (still) a Christian. No one ever asks me, “Why are you a Christian?” Or very rarely, anyway. But pretty regularly, in the context of conversations about deconstruction or Biblical inerrancy or something similar, people will ask, “Why are you *still* a Christian?” I thought it might be helpful to answer that and give one more data point for listeners as they figure out their own faith allegiances, theologies, etc. We talk about religious/Christian pluralism a good bit, as that is particularly interesting to Ben, and toward the end is when I give probably my most succinct answer to the question, drawing on the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord’s Prayer, and other basics I don’t think I could live without. Feel free to skip forward to 1 hour or so if you want to hear that concise answer before going into the weeds with us.

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The Religious Rhetoric of Politicians (#169) Nov 28, 2022

Joining me today is Rev. Dr. Brian Kaylor to discuss his book "Presidential Campaign Rhetoric in an Age of Confessional Politics." Brian overviews the book's four categories for religious political rhetoric: testimonial, partisan, sectarian and liturgical. We analyze how Evangelicalism has significantly changed the political landscape in the past 50 years.

Brian's Book "Presidential Campaign Rhetoric in an Age of Confessional Politics": https://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Confessional-Lexington-Political-Communication/dp/0739148796

Word & Way Organization: https://wordandway.org/

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Womanhood Beyond Motherhood (#168) Nov 14, 2022

In today's delightful conversation with author Erin S. Lane, we talk about her new book "Someone Other Than a Mother: Flipping the Scripts on Woman's Purpose and Making Meaning beyond Motherhood." Erin walks us through the book's critiques of cultural scripts around motherhood and womanhood, offering real alternatives. We also cover theological implications, biological desire, bell curves, and how gender beliefs inform our perceptions of woman's role in modern society.

Someone Other Than a Mother” Book: https://www.amazon.com/Someone-Other-Than-Mother-Motherhood/dp/0593329317

Erin’s Website: https://www.erinslane.com/

Tom Oord’s Doctoral Program Website: https://www.northwindseminary.org/center-for-open-relational-theology

Lora Shahine's Book “Not Broken”: https://www.abebooks.com/Broken-Approachable-Guide-Miscarriage-Recurrent-Pregnancy/31339526224/bd?cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_10to20-_-product_id=COM9780998714608USED-_-keyword=&gclid=Cj0KCQiA37KbBhDgARIsAIzce17_iEx2uU1uODb_teMo8ETiJuLcSKC8CzwCD4P8HBrM_ylU7pIsmBQaAt4kEALw_wcB

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My New Music Podcast: Pretty Good Vibrations Nov 08, 2022

A brief announcement about the second podcast I am launching! **You Have Permission will continue as normal, including the Patreon community.**

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Our Substantial Knowledge Crisis (#167) Oct 31, 2022

Rejoining me today is author and journalist Bonnie Kristian to discuss her book “Untrustworthy: The Knowledge Crisis Breaking Our Brains Polluting Our Politics and Corrupting Christian Community.” A delight to have on the show again, Bonnie describes contributing sources to the ongoing epistemological crisis in the West. We cover topics like digital literacy, emotional reasoning, moral complicity, social media traps, and building intellectual virtue.

Bonnie’s Website: https://www.bonniekristian.com/

Bonnie’s Book “Untrustworthy”: https://www.amazon.com/Untrustworthy-Knowledge-Polluting-Corrupting-Christian/dp/1587435624

Bonnie’s Book “A Flexible Faith”: https://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Faith-Rethinking-Means-Follow/dp/1478992093/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=a+flexible+faith&qid=1666805590&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjQ3IiwicXNhIjoiMC42MSIsInFzcCI6IjAuODYifQ%3D%3D&s=books&sprefix=a+flexi%2Cstripbooks%2C89&sr=1-1

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YHP Ep 144 with Becky Castle Miller: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000550307589

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Love & Perfectionism in Raising Kids (#166) Oct 17, 2022

This is the first of a number of episodes focusing on child raising in and around Christianity. Author and journalist Bekah McNeel joins me today to discuss her book "Bringing up Kids When Church Lets You Down: A Guide for Parents Questioning Their Faith." Bekah says, "we need to see our children as people with emotional realities and needs, and how we communicate love has to take that into account." We focus on parental humility, attachment wounds, faith assumptions, and widening who gets to participate in the biblical dialogue.

Bekah’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Bringing-Kids-When-Church-Lets/dp/0802882099

Bonnie Christian’s Book “Untrustworthy”: https://www.amazon.com/Untrustworthy-Knowledge-Polluting-Corrupting-Christian/dp/1587435624

Justin Barrett’s Book “Born Believers”: https://www.amazon.com/Born-Believers-Science-Childrens-Religious/dp/1439196540

Meredith Ann Miller’s IG - @meredithannemiller: https://instagram.com/meredithannemiller?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Tina Payne Bryson’s “The Whole Brain Child” Book: https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Brain-Child-Revolutionary-Strategies-Developing/dp/0553386697/ref=asc_df_0553386697/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312177564685&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3177707942758496481&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-436541850135&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=60258870697&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312177564685&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3177707942758496481&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-436541850135

Nomad Podcast “The Spiritually Awakened Brain” with Dr. Lisa Miller: https://www.nomadpodcast.co.uk/lisa-miller-the-spiritually-awakened-brain-n281/

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When Theology Needs Psychology (#165) Oct 03, 2022

Today I’m joined by Justin Barrett and Sarey Concepcion to discuss their TheoPsych project and book, “TheoPsych: Psychological Science Primer for Theologians". We consider 4 reasons it might be helpful for theologians to be aware of the best available psychological science evidence. We also cover morality, our sense of what science says, philosophical intuitions and more.

TheoPsych Website:http://theopsych.com/http://

Blueprint1543.org/

TheoPsych Book: https://blueprint1543.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/TheoPsych-PDF.pdf

Krispin Mayfield’s “Attached to God”: https://www.amazon.com/Attached-God-Practical-Spiritual-Experience/dp/0310363799

Jonathan Haidt’s Morality Test: https://yourmorals.org/

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Leaving "Biblical Womanhood" Behind (#164) Sep 19, 2022

Joining me today is Dr. Beth Allison Barr, author of “The Making of Biblical Womanhood.” Instead of primarily discussing Dr. Barr's book, which she has done at length, we focused on more global questions: patriarchy, plausibility structures, how history has shaped faith, and more. Beth says, "The miracle of the Bible is that the story of Jesus still gets through despite how much humans have messed with it.”Dr. Barr’s Author Page: https://bethallisonbarr.com/

Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Kobes Du Mez: https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-John-Wayne-Evangelicals-Corrupted/dp/1631495739

Preston Sprinkle’s Theology in the Raw Episode with Dr. Barr: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-making-of-biblical-womanhood-dr-beth-allison-barr/id1601730634?i=1000559299255

Episode 9 with Carolyn James: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000430096190

Episode 141 with David Gushee: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000546234980

Pre-Order Producer Josh’s New Album: https://hibernate2022.bigcartel.com/

Household’s song “Something I Said”: https://open.spotify.com/album/5m10oE4XYE3NaBUJfLFuMw?si=G4_uRLnLRYOB7UQg5CiJvg

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Apocalyptic Expectations, the Resurrection & More (#163) Sep 14, 2022

** Re-released due to an Apple Podcasts glitch **

Joining me today for a Q&A is Dr. Matthew V. Novenson, a senior lecturer in New Testament in Christian Origins at the University of Edinburgh. All in light of the New Testament, we discuss the apostle Paul, the resurrection, Pneuma (body & spirit), and more.

Email Matthew for New Testament book recommendations:Matthew.Novenson@ed.ac.uk

Matthew’s Episode on Homebrewed Christianity:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/matthew-novenson-messiah-lord-logos-other-titles/id276269040?i=1000539065572

Biblical Truths by Dale Martin:https://www.amazon.com/Biblical-Truths-Meaning-Scripture-Twenty-first/dp/0300222831/ref=asc_df_0300222831/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312443114357&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5516604165096207&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-565552339835&psc=1

Signs, Wonders, and Gifts: Divination in the Letters of Paul by Jennifer Eyl:https://www.amazon.com/Signs-Wonders-Gifts-Divination-Letters-ebook/dp/B07SK6YS4WFor the

Time Being by Annie Dillard:https://www.amazon.com/Time-Being-Annie-Dillard/dp/0375703470?asin=0375703470&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1

The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemics, History by Dale C. Allison:https://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Jesus-Apologetics-Polemics-History/dp/0567697568/ref=asc_df_0567697568/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509271538023&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13450463923784473236&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-1217753413890&psc=1

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[Patreon Preview] Q&A Episode Sep 12, 2022

One of the four answered questions for the most recent Patreon exclusive episode, focused on personal growth around egoistic tendencies. To become a patron and hear the other three questions answered, head to Patreon.com/dankochThe four questions in the full episode are:1. Could you talk about the effects on the brain (positive and negative) of things like Centering Prayer, Breath work, meditation etc?2. What books are you reading?3. I'd love to hear more about your spiritual experiences and why you feel confident deriving faith from them rather than completely ascribing them to "mere" material brain phenomenon.4. What are you learning about managing (or healing) your egoic strategies (I hesitate to call it arrogance, even though you call it that sometimes), without self shaming or denial -- about how to actively confront personal weaknesses?

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Betrayal Trauma in Religious Contexts (#162) Aug 22, 2022

Caitlin Olsen (marriage and family therapist) joins me today to discuss her research on betrayal trauma in religious contexts. Caitlin says, "the concept of betrayal trauma is really helpful for people understanding systemic betrayal." We also cover benevolent sexism (or soft patriarchy), Mormonism, and focusing on betrayal trauma in a therapeutic environment.

Caitlin's Website: https://caitlinolsen.mykajabi.com/

Episode 9: To Think Seriously About (Biblical) Patriarchy: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000430096190

Jennifer Freyd Article: https://www.thecut.com/article/false-memory-syndrome-controversy.html

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The Enneagram Doesn't Hold Up (#161) Aug 08, 2022

Listeners of this show will know I'm not shy about my Enneargream skepticism. Well, today I'm joined by Jay Medenwaldt (Master in Psychological Sciences - Baylor University) who has done some actual legwork on the topic, compiling studies that have tested the reliability and validity of the Enneagram. Jay expounds on this research and walks us through some "not so popular" critiques of The Enneagram. We also cover physiological bias, introspection tools, attachment styles, and more.

Jay's short Enneagram article: https://randalrauser.com/2020/02/the-enneagram-a-window-into-the-soul-or-a-waste-of-time/

More detail: https://www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity.htmlBarnum effect and astrology: https://nesslabs.com/barnum-effect#:~:text=Barnum.,Effect%2C%20after%20psychologist%20Bertram%20Forer

Attachment Style Quiz: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/tests/relationships/relationship-attachment-style-test

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“Christian Music”: Peter Hilliard (#160) Jul 25, 2022

Today I have the unique pleasure of continuing our “Christian Music” series with Peter Hilliard. Peter is a classical and opera composer with a robust background in church music. He says, “When you make art and music, you are exercising your humanity.” We overview several classical pieces from composures like Bach and Brahms, examining how they wrestled with things like faith, meaninglessness, and their own finitude.Peter's Website: https://www.peterhilliard.com/works-pageCapra Album - In Transmission: https://open.spotify.com/album/1BFg7IMfMpwygReNq1vLFQ?si=cKunuyI3SEiUpvlMQVHI8QBach B Minor Mass: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Johann_Sebastian_Bach_-_Mass_in_B_minor_-_Agnus_Dei.oggBach Art of the Fugue: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kimiko_Ishizaka_-_J.S._Bach,_The_Art_of_Fugue,_BWV_1080_-_16_Canon_Per_Augmentationem_in_Contrario_Motu.oggVerdi Requiem:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ICBSA_Verdi_-_Messa_da_requiem_parte_03,_Dies_irae.oggBrahms Requiem: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Johannes_Brahms_-_Op.45_Ein_Deutsches_Requiem_-_(05)_Ihr_habt_nun_Traurigkeit.oggBlessed are they that mourn: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Johannes_Brahms_-_Op.45_Ein_Deutsches_Requiem_-_(01)_Selig_sind,_die_da_Leid_tragen.oggBeethoven 9:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beethoven_Symphony_No.9_-_IV._Finale.oggBach Cello Suite:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JOHN_MICHEL_CELLO-J_S_BACH_CELLO_SUITE_1_in_G_Allemande.oggFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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"God Concept" (#159) Jul 18, 2022

Dr. Joshua Knabb (author, researcher & clinician) joins me to talk widely about one's orientation and conception of God. With personal and clinical examples, Josh punctuates the conversation with topics like attachment, acceptance, and abstract psychology, as they relate to spiritual wellbeing. We also cover things like the ineffable nature of God, Buddhism (mindfulness and suffering), and Apophatic vs. Cataphatic theology.Josh’s website: https://joshuaknabb.com/ Josh’s Faith-Based ACT Book: https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Based-Christian-Clients-Joshua-Knabb/dp/1138942618/ref=sr_1_3?crid=UFLEMH1J2XTG&keywords=joshua+knabb&qid=1642026133&sprefix=joshua+knabb%2Caps%2C144&sr=8-3The Act Made Simple Book: https://www.amazon.com/ACT-Made-Simple-Easy-Read/dp/1684033012/ref=asc_df_1684033012/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343252348283&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8883095716402495539&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-752437653727&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69758511580&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343252348283&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8883095716402495539&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-752437653727The Happiness Trap Book: https://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Trap-Struggling-Start-Living/dp/1590305841/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+happiness+trap&qid=1658123601&s=books&sprefix=the+happin%2Cstripbooks%2C113&sr=1-1Krispin Mayfield’s Book Attached to God: https://www.amazon.com/Attached-God-Practical-Spiritual-Experience/dp/0310363799Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Baby Boomer Deconstruction (#158) Jul 05, 2022

One of my best friends' dads, Joe Bishop (pastor & therapist), is joining me today to discuss deconstruction for the boomer generation. Joe says, "There's a real lack of resources for people going through faith deconstruction in their 50s or older." We cover things like the ramifications of losing lifelong religious practice, awakening to agency later in life, and reckoning with one's complicity in creating systems of harm.Still Christian Episode (with Joe's son Ben): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000471323009Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Myths about Religion and Politics in America (#157) Jun 27, 2022

Today I'm re-joined by author Ryan Burge to discuss his new book "20 Myths About Religion and Politics in America." Ryan talks about how 'Born again' has become its own brand, ethos & style of thinking and how Evangelicalism is still the dominant form of Christianity in America. We also talk about cynicism, institutional trust, the role plausibility structures have played in American Evangelicalism, and more.Ep 109 with Ryan: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000513058453Ryan's Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/ryanburgeRyan’s Author Page: http://ryanburge.net/20 Myths Book: https://www.amazon.com/Myths-about-Religion-Politics-America/dp/1506482015/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3QBD12BES2J4&keywords=the+nones+ryan+burge&qid=1655855785&s=books&sprefix=the+nones+ryan+burg%2Cstripbooks%2C82&sr=1-2 The Nones Book: https://www.amazon.com/Nones-Where-They-Came-Going/dp/1506465854/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3QBD12BES2J4&keywords=the+nones+ryan+burge&qid=1655855756&s=books&sprefix=the+nones+ryan+burg%2Cstripbooks%2C82&sr=1-1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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What is Spiritual Bypassing? (#156) Jun 13, 2022

Today I'm joined by Dr. Jesse Fox (Stenson University) to discuss his “spiritual bypass” research in the growing field of religion and its relationship to health. Jesse says spiritual bypassing includes "[Spiritually] taking something out of context and misapplying it." We also touch on mindfulness, spiritual narcissism, and including/transcending.Jesse’s Faculty Page: https://www.stetson.edu/other/faculty/jesse-fox.phpFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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The SBC Report & “Easy Knowledge” (#155) May 30, 2022

Today I'm rejoined by listener (and personal) favorite Heather Patton Griffin (Episode #123) to apply her conceptual framework to the recent abuse report issued by Guidepost Solutions about The Southern Baptist Convention. “Emotionalism," "Maturity Badges," and "Easy Knowledge" are concepts we cover that have often enabled abuse in church settings. We apply these and other concepts to the SBC scandal.*Correction* from Heather's report summary: https://twitter.com/hlgriffin/status/1531340223283712003?s=20&t=x2kckurbfpo4BYRPVG23wwHeather’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/hlgriffinHeather’s “Bible Truths”… Episode (#123):https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000526264766Spiritual Harm and Abuse Scale Handout:https://www.dankochwords.com/spiritual-abuse-screener.htmlRob Downen Twitter Thread:https://twitter.com/RobDownenChron/status/1529084743727325184?s=20&t=tEu4MgAVY4BqwsidISyYdAFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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All About Human Depravity (#154) May 23, 2022

Rejoining me today is my friend Oliver Crisp, principal of St. Mary's college and the head of the school of divinity at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. Oliver helps us wade through theologically dense waters, comparing terms like original guilt and original sin. We also look at specific theologians' views like Augustine, Calvin, etc., and address the implications of these beliefs in today's context.Oliver’s Book - Word Enfleshed: Exploring the Person and Work of Christ: https://www.amazon.com/Word-Enfleshed-Exploring-Person-Christ/dp/0801098092Oliver’s YHP Episode - To Give Reformed Theology a Fair Hearing: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000447230064Tom McCall’s Book - Against God and Nature: https://www.perlego.com/book/1414191/against-god-and-nature-the-doctrine-of-sin-pdf?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&campaignid=15825112969&adgroupid=132780878595&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm6KUBhC3ARIsACIwxBgXy64YJXjR-pVZBBNo4n4yx9Eu7uNiuu4SDGvxnw04fuKJSLK43L0aApzIEALw_wcBNP Williams Book - The Ideas of the Fall and Orignal Sin: A Historical and Critical Study: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31042598152&searchurl=kn%3DWilliams%252C%2BThe%2Bideas%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bfall%2Band%2Bof%2Boriginal%2Bsin%2BA%2Bhistorical%2Band%2Bcritical%2Bstudy%26sortby%3D20&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Abuse & Institutional "Impression Management" (#153) May 16, 2022

Today I'm joined by Dr. Wade Mullen, researcher and author of Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse--and Freeing Yourself from Its Power. Our conversation focuses specifically on "Impression Management," a sociology subfield that analyzes how organizations use different mechanisms to influence their public perceptions to cover up abuse scandals. We get into Mullens's different categories for Impression Management like Organizational Promotion, Opinion Conformity, Burrying, and more. Something’s Not Right Book: https://www.amazon.com/Somethings-Not-Right-Decoding-Abuse/dp/1496444701Wade’s Substack: https://substack.com/profile/40073732-wade-mullenWade’s Website: https://wadetmullen.com/Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Black vs. White Church Deconstruction (#152) May 09, 2022

Today I'm joined by pastor Tyler Burns (Pass the Mic Podcast & President at The Witness: A Black Christian Collective). Tyler offers insight into the process of black deconstruction as experienced more communally. He also sees doubt as an inherent component of faith for black Christians in America. We cover embodiment, white nationalism, and faith expressed cerebrally vs. experientially.Pass the Mic Podcast:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pass-the-mic/id1435500798The Witness Website:https://thewitnessbcc.com/Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Six Types of "Spiritual Struggle" (#151) May 02, 2022

Today I’m joined by Kenneth I. Pargament (Professor at Bowling Green State University) and Julie J. Exline (Professor at Case Western Reserve University), two prominent researchers in psychology of religion, to talk about their research on “spiritual struggles.” Where does this research overlap with the “deconstruction” movement? With spiritual abuse and religious trauma? Are spiritual struggles part of a full and healthy life of faith? How common are they?Working with Spiritual Struggles in Psychotherapy Book: https://www.amazon.com/Working-Spiritual-Struggles-Psychotherapy-Research/dp/1462524311Kenneth's Author Page: https://www.guilford.com/author/Kenneth-I-PargamentJulia's Author Page: https://www.guilford.com/author/Julie-J-ExlineFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Contemplative Practice in a Time of Crisis (#150) Apr 25, 2022

Today I'm joined by author and writer Fred Bahnson to discuss some of his work on Christian Contemplative Practice. Fred says, "Political life has replaced inner life as the arbiter of all things." We get into Thomas Merton, emotional recognition, oneness, and the political implications of contemplative practice amidst ecological crises.Fred’s Articles:“Keeping the World in Being”: https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/keeping-the-world-in-being/“On The Road with Thomas Merton”: https://emergencemagazine.org/feature/on-the-road-with-thomas-merton/“The Gate of Heaven is Everywhere” https://harpers.org/archive/2021/01/the-gate-of-heaven-is-everywhere-contemplative-christianity/Books:“Altered Traits”: https://www.amazon.com/Altered-Traits-Science-Reveals-Meditation/dp/0399184384“Into the Silent Land”: https://www.amazon.com/Into-Silent-Land-Martin-Laird-audiobook/dp/B00FPUHBD4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2UJIEHGACGR4D&keywords=into+the+silent+land&qid=1650835368&s=books&sprefix=into+the+silent+lan%2Cstripbooks%2C83&sr=1-1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Worries about Progressive Christianity - Raymond Gregory (#149) Apr 18, 2022

Today, I'm joined by Raymond Gregory (Calvary Chapel Church in East Anaheim) for another episode in our "Worries About Progressive Christianity" series. We cover theological topics like hell, salvation, and what he considers to be the "central vein of the Gospel". We also cover polarization, bias-motivated reasoning, and the hyper politicization of American Protestantism.Raymond's website: raymondgregory.comFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Christianity Today Staffers Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone (#148) Apr 04, 2022

Today we're joined by Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone to continue our conversation around three recent scandals in the Evangelical World. Having worked at Christianity Today, Katelyn and Roxy offer context for some of these issues' cultural and spiritual fabrics. We also cover accountability structures, misuse of power, and impact versus intent.Saved by the City - CT Response Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-worked-at-christianity-today-and-we-have-thoughts/id1557930520?i=1000554937413Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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New Scandals: Bruxy Cavey, Christianity Today & Hillsong (#147) Mar 21, 2022

Today we respond to three recent scandals in the Evangelical world. This episode is a modified version of our patron-exclusive Generation Gap Culture Hour (GGCH) episodes with Tony Jones. Also joining us is former guest Josh Patterson (Rethinking Faith Podcast), who provides context, having worked with Bruxy as part of the Jesus Collective. Tony also provides context for Bray’s story as well as the Christianity Today / Mark Galli allegations.Bruxy Cavey article: https://julieroys.com/bruxy-cavey-confesses-misconduct-not-abuse/Christianity Today article: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/march/sexual-harassment-ct-guidepost-assessment-galli-olawoye.htmlBrian Houston article: https://religionnews.com/2022/03/18/brian-houston-hillsong-board-blame-prescription-pills-alcohol-for-landing-him-in-a-womans-hotel-room/(Re)thinking Faith Podcast:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524Jean Vanier - YHP Episode (#76): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000486949689Josh Patterson - YHP Episode (#71): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000480264328Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Doubt, Intellectual Humility & Uncertainty Tolerance (#146) Mar 07, 2022

Today, Dr. Elizabeth Hall, Professor of Psychology (Biola University), joins me to talk about doubt, intellectual humility, and uncertainty tolerance. While offering pushback on the term 'Deconstruction,' Liz frames doubt as "an opportunity for growth, development, and greater intimacy with God." We also cover finitude, lament, plausibility structures, and "spiritual struggles."Liz’s Faculty Page:https://www.biola.edu/directory/people/elizabeth-hallLiz’s Christian Scholar’s Review Article:https://christianscholars.com/teaching-students-to-doubt-well-the-roles-of-intellectual-humility-and-uncertainty-tolerance/Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Mike Cosper of "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" (#145) Feb 21, 2022

Today Tony Jones and I interview Mike Cosper, the host of "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" podcast, diving into the detailed aspects of the widely successful show. We cover its underlying themes while also challenging some of Cosper's choices and methodology. We also touch on broader topics like narcissism in church leadership, journalistic responsibilities, and attempting to redeem evangelicalism.Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/id1569401963Responding to "The Rise & Fall of Marse Hill" (Episodes 1 & 2): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000531466861Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Denying & Embracing Emotions (#144) Feb 07, 2022

Today Becky Castle Miller joins me to discuss the emotionality of Jesus and how emotions are understood in Evangelicalism. Becky has a master's in New Testament (Northern Seminary), and her books include "Following King Jesus," co-authored by Scot McKnight. We start with some of Becky's background before highlighting anti-emotionalism within Evangelicalism. We also touch on Jesus's humanity, spiritual bypassing, and emotional vocabulary/granularity.Becky's Amazon Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/Becky-Castle-Miller/e/B07PRD392K%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_shareEmotion wheels: https://humansystems.co/emotionwheels/The Four Spiritual Laws: http://www.4laws.com/laws/englishkgp/default.htmThe circumplex model of affect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367156/Other books mentioned:How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett: https://lisafeldmanbarrett.com/books/how-emotions-are-made/The Wisdom of Your Heart by Marc Alan Schelske: https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Your-Heart-Discovering-God-Given/dp/0781414512Faithful Feelings by Matthew Elliott: https://www.amazon.com/Faithful-Feelings-Rethinking-Emotion-Testament/dp/0825425425Jesus' Emotions in the Gospels by Stephen Voorwinde: https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Emotions-Gospels-Stephen-Voorwinde/dp/0567430618The Spirit Controlled Temperament by Tim LaHaye: https://www.scribd.com/book/250526442/Spirit-Controlled-Temperament?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google_search&utm_campaign=3Q_Google_DSA_NB_US&utm_device=c&gclid=Cj0KCQiAgP6PBhDmARIsAPWMq6lv_9UFYEoQP_M0yBFtwQsPscaiyzNWMzP_MP7IkkWQk-jm0_Me414aAt3TEALw_wcBEmotions: Can You Trust Them? by James Dobson: https://www.amazon.com/Emotions-Best-Selling-Understanding-Managing-Self-Awareness/dp/0800724879#:~:text=James%20Dobson%20provides%20practical%20guidelines,can%20improve%20interaction%20with%20others.&text=The%20sound%20teaching%20of%20this,thinking%20from%20the%20real%20thing.Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Patreon Teaser: Gospel of Matthew with Trans Regret Snoopy Jan 31, 2022

This is a clip from the first of 4 patron-exclusive episodes with Ariel of Trans Regret Snoopy Presents the Bible. To hear the full episode, as well as the upcoming 3 episodes, become a patron!patreon.com/DanKochAriel's previous episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000516790529

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The Church of the Future? (#143) Jan 24, 2022

Today my guest, Dr. Elaine Heath, joins me to discuss her five principles of 'What the Church of the Future Needs to Contain". Dr. Heath was the first woman dean of Duke Divinity School and is an author, speaker, pastor, and consultant. Along with her five principles, we cover the value of wisdom traditions, socio-political identity, and more. Elaine says, "Christianity is losing its swagger" and "the Church's mission [towards people] should be to go to Hell for them."Elaine's Website: https://www.elaineaheath.org/Rescuing the Gospel from the Cowboys:https://www.amazon.com/Rescuing-Gospel-Cowboys-American-Expression/dp/0830844236Braiding Sweetgrass:https://www.amazon.com/Braiding-Sweetgrass-Indigenous-Scientific-Knowledge/dp/1571313567/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1643003297&sr=1-1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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A Theology of Mental Illness (#142) Jan 10, 2022

Today I am joined by Dr. Marcia Webb, Professor at Seattle Pacific University and author of “Toward a Theology of Psychological Disorder.” Well suited for the show, Dr. Webb’s work focuses on the intersection of theology and mental health and how we make sense of those two together. Along with discussing her book, we cover some of Christianity’s various explanations for mental illness, demonic possession, and the like. We also get into topics like anxiety & depression, human suffering, and projecting one’s idea of God.Dr. Webb’s Faculty Page: https://spu.edu/academics/school-of-psychology-family-community/faculty-and-staff/marcia-webb-profileToward a Theology of Psychological Disorder: https://www.amazon.com/Toward-Theology-Psychological-Disorder-Marcia/dp/149820211X/ref=asc_df_149820211X/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312142103956&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10940079895597588520&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-494856882457&psc=1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Evangelicalism is Deconstructing Itself (#141) Dec 27, 2021

I’m joined today by Dr. David P. Gushee (University Professor of Christian Ethics at Mercer University) to discuss the emerging scholarship coming from within Evangelicalism. We focus our conversation on a series of books that challenge the classic Bebbington Quadrilateral’s self-definition of evangelicalism, including Jesus and John Wayne, the Color of Compromise, David’s own book After Evangelicalism, and more. We cover topics like Christian worldview, whiteness, Americanism, and the intellectual underpinnings of Evangelicalism. David offers his picture of Jesus: “Apocalyptic prophet, lynched Son of God, and risen Lord”.David’s Website:https://davidpgushee.com/ David’s Books:https://davidpgushee.com/books/ Deconstruction of American Evangelicalism Article:https://davidpgushee.com/the-deconstruction-of-american-evangelicalism/ Baptist News Global Article:https://baptistnews.com/article/a-conservative-resurgence-in-u-s-catholicism/#.YcYu4hPMLOQ  Other Books:Jesus and John Wayne:https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-John-Wayne-Evangelicals-Corrupted/dp/1631495739/ref=asc_df_1631495739/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509032833991&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2979242115882482512&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9023209&hvtargid=pla-920120626796&psc=1The Making of Biblical Womanhood:https://www.amazon.com/Making-Biblical-Womanhood-Subjugation-Became/dp/1587434709/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+making+of+biblical+womanhood&qid=1640546128&s=books&sprefix=making+of+bi%2Cstripbooks%2C107&sr=1-1The Color of Compromise:https://www.amazon.com/Color-Compromise-American-Churchs-Complicity/dp/0310113601/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=color+of+compromise+by+jemar+tisby&qid=1640546165&s=books&sprefix=color+of+com%2Cstripbooks%2C103&sr=1-1Taking America Back For God:https://www.amazon.com/Taking-America-Back-God-Nationalism/dp/0190057882/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=taking+america+back+for+god+whitehead&qid=1640546200&s=books&sprefix=taking+amer%2Cstripbooks%2C101&sr=1-2After Christianity (David’s Book):https://davidpgushee.com/book/after-evangelicalism-the-path-to-a-new-christianity/Worldview Theory, Whiteness, and the Future of Evangelical Faith:https://www.amazon.com/Worldview-Theory-Whiteness-Future-Evangelical/dp/197870819X?asin=197870819X&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/

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The Virgin Birth (#140) Dec 13, 2021

Today I’m joined by Kyle Roberts (United Seminary) to talk about his book “A Complicated Pregnancy: Whether Mary Was a Virgin and Why it Matters”. We talk about Kyle’s research around virginal conception, including various views about it and their implications throughout Christian history. We hit on biology and DNA, differing depictions in each gospel, original sin, and the incarnation.Kyle's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Complicated-Pregnancy-Whether-Virgin-Matters/dp/1506406246Episode 8(with Kyle): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000429620895Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Christian Heavy Music: Theology, Attachment, Power (#139) Nov 29, 2021

Today I’m joined by Matt Carter and Krispin Mayfield to talk about the culture and psycology of Christian heavy music. Our conversation dissects the lyrics and theologies portrayed in an evangelical underground scene of the late 90s and 00s. We touch on topics of collective effervescence, attachment styles and lyrical themes motivated by purity culture.Krispin’s Website: https://www.krispinmayfield.com/Prophetic Imagination Station Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prophetic-imagination-station/id1205800127Knucklebreakers Website: https://www.knucklebreakers.co/Labelled Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/labeled-the-stories-rumors-legends-of-tooth-nail-records/id1224741037Follow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/“

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Reading Christian Fiction (#138) Nov 15, 2021

This week I speak with Christianity Today's news editor Daniel Silliman about his new book “Reading Evangelicals”. This book deep dives into five top-selling evangelical novels. We had a fascinating conversation discussing the cultural influence of Christian Fiction and each of these books' implications in broader American culture. We also touch on things like parallel institutions, the Amish tourism industry and evangelical infrastructure & pop culture.Reading Evangelicals Book: https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Evangelicals-Christian-Fiction-Culture/dp/0802879357Ravi Zacharias Article: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/february/ravi-zacharias-rzim-investigation-sexual-abuse-sexting-rape.htmlFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/“

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Anger & Forgiveness (#137) Nov 01, 2021

This week I speak with professor and research psychologist Dr. Lindsey Root Luna. Along with teaching at Hope College, she conducts her own research on anger and forgiveness. This is an interesting and fun conversation touching on neurotransmitters, the interaction of brain sections, white evangelicalism, and some of my spiritual abuse work. We also talk practically about anger through a therapeutic lens, processing pain, and some of anger's theological implications.Dr. Luna's Bio Page: https://hope.edu/directory/people/rootluna-lindsey/index.htmlREACH Model: http://www.stlcw.com/Handouts/Forgiveness_using_the_REACH_model.pdfFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/

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What Can We Learn from Kierkegaard? (#136) Oct 18, 2021

Today my guest J. Aaron Simmons joins me to discuss Danish philosopher and theologian, Soren Kierkegaard. Dr. Simmons is an author, Professor of Philosophy at Furman University, and the current president of the Soren Kierkegaard Society (USA). Aaron says “Faith is risk with a direction” and summarizes Kierkegaard with a current application: “You’re human, don’t forget that, and God sees that as a good thing”. As most listeners know, Kierkegaard has been a significant figure for me personally. Tripp & Aaron's class: http://iheartkierkegaard.comAaron’s Papers “Religious but not Spiritual”: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/6/433/xml“Militant Liturgies: Practicing Christianity with Kierkegaard, Bonhoeffer, and Weil”: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/5/340/htmAaron’s TedX Talk “The Failure of Success”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4beiEp-xZ4Aaron’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtktPVW5IrLx0772vl8znWQ Pollution and the Death of Man: https://www.amazon.com/Pollution-Death-Man-Francis-Schaeffer/dp/143351947X Embracing Prodigals: https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Prodigals-Overcoming-Authoritative-Embodying/dp/1725264064/ref=sr_1_1?crid=16GX7ZVUIUPOC&dchild=1&keywords=embracing+prodigals&qid=1634500712&s=books&sprefix=embracing+pro%2Cstripbooks%2C180&sr=1-1David Foster Wallace, “This is Water”; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CrOL-ydFMIAuthoritative vs. Nurturant Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000525427433 Bible Truths Episode (with Heather Griffin):https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000526264766Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8R…687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havana…b/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: https://www.soyouredeconstructing.com/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: https://www.dankochwords.com/yhp.htmlJoin Dan's email list: https://www.dankochwords.com/Artwork by sprungle.co/

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Worries About Progressive Christianity - O. Alan Noble (#135) Oct 11, 2021

In the second installment of the series “Worries About Progressive Christianity”, I speak with author and professor O. Alan Noble. Both insightful and humorous, we hit the topics of suffering & theodicy, church life, and grace as the essence of human existence.Alan's Author Page: https://www.oalannoble.com/Alan's Twitter: @TheAlanNobleDan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8R…687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havana…b/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/“

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What is Theopoetics? (#134) Sep 27, 2021

This week, I spoke with author Callid Keefe-Perry on the concept of Theopoetics. Along with his book “Way to Water: A Theopoetics Primer”, we discuss the issue of justice, following Jesus and living out Keefe-Perry’s Quaker practice. Callid speaks about how being grounded in creativity is intrinsic to humanity—we are all “crafters” and “makers” of life. As he advocates for a less dogmatic approach, his Quaker tradition allows for a more artful expression of faith.Scott Holland blog post: https://uwaterloo.ca/grebel/publications/conrad-grebel-review/issues/spring-2013/theopoetics-rageAsemtote image: https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/asymptote.htmlCallid’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Way-Water-Theopoetics-Callid-Keefe-Perry/dp/1625645201/ref=asc_df_1625645201/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=317131090770&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8588791677576628921&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019667&hvtargid=pla-492459911920&psc=1Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/“

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Joshua Harris, Celebrity & "Gurus" (#133) Sep 13, 2021

In our first installment of the “Healthy Egos” repeating segment (a knowing nod to the fact that both Tony Jones and I have at least a little narcissism running through us), Tony and I are joined by Sarah Lane Ritchie. We discuss the recent saga of Joshua Harris, newly deconverted author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye.” His situation naturally brings to mind questions about celebrity, both within and without Christianity. And what is the difference between a “guru” and a humble leader?Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8R…687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havana…b/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/

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Integrating Theology & Psychology; Christian Existentialism (#132) Aug 30, 2021

Dr. Brad Strawn (Fuller) joins me today for essentially a two-parter. First, we talk about the integration of psychology and theology broadly, including Brad’s own story of coming to that work in particular. After the break, we talk about how a Christian might also be an existentialist in some ways, a field of thought commonly associated with atheism or agnosticism. Finally, Sarey Concepcion, Communications Director for Blueprint 1543, joins me for a brief interview about some very high-quality free courses around psychology and theology that their organization is offering.Blueprint 1543's free courses: theopsych.comBrad's Author Page: https://fullerstudio.fuller.edu/contributor/brad-d-strawn/Richard Beck episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000437315400Beck's "The Slavery of Death": https://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Death-Richard-Beck/dp/1620327775Pete Hill episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000448442686"The Worm at the Core": https://www.amazon.com/Worm-Core-Role-Death-Life/dp/1400067472Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8R…687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havana…b/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co/

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How Free Is Our Will? (#131) Aug 16, 2021

I'm joined by absolute neuroscience all-star William Newsome (Stanford, NIH BRAIN Project) to discuss the ways in which our will is both free and constrained. What counts as free will? Are the Sam Harris types right that we have no free will? (Nope.) How do "top-down" and "bottom-up" forces affect our will? When is it the "most free"?Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Responding to "The Rise & Fall of Mars Hill" (#130) Aug 09, 2021

This week, you're getting a sneak peek into the kind of exclusive episodes that patrons of this show received twice per month. Multiple-time guest Tony Jones joins me to break down and respond to the first 2 episodes of the incredible Christianity Today-produced podcast "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill." If possible, listen to those episodes before listening to us respond (but you don't have to). The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/id1569401963Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Religion, Virtue & Human Thriving (#129) Aug 02, 2021

I spoke with the multi-talented Dr. Pamela King (Fuller Seminary, Thrive Center for Human Development). She is a researcher in developmental psychology whose passion is human thriving. We talk about thriving, as well as how virtue connects to thriving. Before that, she sets the stage with a discussion of religion and its role in both virtue development and thriving. For Pam, a virtue is a "psychological capacity that enables us to know, feel, and do what is right and good at different times and in different places." I love that definition. We also talk about the relationship between our own evolving narrative identity and the formation of virtues.Dr. King's Thrive Center profile: https://thethrivecenter.org/about/pam-ebstyne-king/Her Twitter: https://twitter.com/drpamkingHer Amazon author's page: https://smile.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3APamela+Ebstyne+King&s=relevancerank&text=Pamela+Ebstyne+King&ref=dp_byline_sr_book_2Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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"Christian Music": Jon Guerra (#128) Jul 26, 2021

I'm joined by one of my favorite Christian recording artists, Jon Guerra. His latest album "Keeper of Days" is phenomenal, and there is so much depth lurking just behind its carefully-constructed songs. Thankfully, a nice dose of that depth comes out in this fantastic conversation! We talk growing up the child of immigrants, Christian Nationalism, the Sermon on the Mount, the CCM machine, border politics, silence/prayer in the creative life, and more. Jon Guerra on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0T5EH22oyMja9UmN0Rz95o?si=04d5297a5dc14187Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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I Don't Believe in That God: Luke Barnett (#127) Jul 19, 2021

Actor and filmmaker Luke Barnett joins me for another installment of "I Don't Believe in That God." These are conversations with people who do not identify as Christian, but they are not debates. Rather, they are attempts to understand my guest's story and perspective, with plenty of hopefully interesting rabbit trails along the way. https://twitter.com/LukeBarnettFaith Ba$ed on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Based-Luke-Barnett/dp/B08KGRJJMROur previous episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000494497232Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Celibate Gay Christian Bridget Eileen Rivera (#126) Jul 12, 2021

I'm joined by Bridget Eileen Rivera, a sociologist completing her Ph.D. at the City University of New York Graduate Center. A homeschool graduate and alum of Patrick Henry College, Rivera has become a leading voice on gay celibacy in the the church. She has worked with a number of faith-based organizations, including Revoice, Christians for Social Action, and Preston Sprinkle’s Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender. Bridget and I differ ultimately on whether we think queer Christians are in general called by God to celibacy, but that didn't stop us from having a really great and interesting conversation about all things gender, sexuality, and faith. Her book (pre-order): https://smile.amazon.com/Heavy-Burdens-Christians-Experience-Church/dp/1587434830/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23XJOXDL8E7SJ&dchild=1&keywords=bridget+eileen+rivera&qid=1623344189&sprefix=bridget+eil%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-1https://twitter.com/travelingnunhttps://www.meditationsofatravelingnun.com/Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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From Conservative Presbyterian to Episcopal Priest (#125) Jul 05, 2021

Rev. Greg Farrand joins me to talk through his journey from high school burnout to PCA minister to Episcopal priest to his current gig as the executive director of Second Breath, an organization that promotes ancient Christian spiritual practice in a variety of contexts. Greg wanted an experiential faith, but found himself in a highly doctrine/reason-heavy tradition. His love for a wonderful lesbian couple and their intensely painful experience with him and his previous church also played a central role. We talk about the fruit of the spirit and how we discern truth using it as a guide.Second Breath Center: https://secondbreathcenter.com/Second Breath Open Zoom meeting Wednesdays at noon EST: https://zoom.us/j/2794690933?pwd=M3ZOUGFlb3dGbThSejhWcUlteHJMQT09SB Resources page: https://secondbreathcenter.com/resources/Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Abortion & Polyamory (#124) Jun 28, 2021

A frank discussion about two highly contentious issues in one episode -- what could possibly go wrong? I'm grateful to be joined by my dear friend, theologian Sarah Lane Ritchie, a person who shares my love of nuance to discuss these really tricky issues one after the other. You might as well save up all the hate mail for one episode, right? (This episode is two shorter conversations put together, not a conversation about the intersection of abortion and polyamory.)Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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"Bible Truths," "Sanctified Common Sense," & "Evangelical Insta-Trust" (#123) Jun 21, 2021

Today I am joined by emerging scholar Heather Griffin to talk through some language of hers that I have found *so* helpful in understanding white Evangelical culture. Terms of hers like "Bible truths," "sanctified common sense," "magic knowledge receptor," "sincerity culture," and "Evangelical insta-trust" all come up in our conversation. Perhaps most impressive, however, is the way she links all of these terms and concepts into an understandable system. To say she is both a keen observer and an empathic pastor at heart is a massive understatement on both accounts. What an incredible conversation this was!https://twitter.com/hlgriffinDan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Authoritative vs. Nurturant Religion (#122) Jun 14, 2021

John Sanders joins me to drop one of the single most helpful distinctions I have ever heard in discussions of religion and culture. His identification and explanation of Nurturant and Authoritative approaches to religion, politics, parenting, and more has been kicking around my head daily for 6 weeks now. You should not skip this episode. And you should probably support indie publishers and buy his book Embracing Prodigals: https://wipfandstock.com/9781725264069/embracing-prodigals/Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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A Closer Look at the Black Church (#121) Jun 07, 2021

I'm joined by PEW Research's Besheer Mohamed to discuss their recent fabulous deep-dive into the religious lives of Black Americans. We discuss why they decided on the topic, what was known previously, what they've been able to add, the role of religion in the lives of Black Americans, differences between Islam and Christianity in the Black community, the deep relationship to justice movements, and more. There is a lot of excellent info packed into this relatively tight conversation (by YHP standards anyway!), so enjoy!PEW study on faith of Black Americans: https://www.pewforum.org/2021/02/16/faith-among-black-americans/Besheer's Twitter: https://twitter.com/bmohamDan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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A Massive Evangelical Sex Survey (#120) May 31, 2021

This week, I spoke with Joanna Daigle Sawatsky and Rebecca Lindenbach about their incredible research work for the new book by Sheila Wray Gregoire (their boss) "The Great Sex Rescue." This research involved surveying over 22,000 (!!!) Evangelical women about sex, reproductive issues, gender roles, and more. We break down what they found in their survey, as well as in popular Evangelical marriage/sex resources and the wider academic research around Evangelicalism and sexuality. Purity Culture episodes are always popular on this show, and if you find that topic interesting or relevant, you should definitely listen to this conversation.The Great Sex Rescue: https://smile.amazon.com/Great-Sex-Rescue-Recover-Intended/dp/1540900827/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=great+sex+rescue&qid=1622141434&sr=8-1To Love Honor and Vacuum: https://tolovehonorandvacuum.com/Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjAAlbum Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/havana-swim-clubFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Church Is Good For You (#119) May 24, 2021

I am re-joined by YHP all star guest Greg Cootsona (California State University, Chico) to talk through what we know from all the social science research on whether and how religiosity and church involvement are good or bad for people. We touch on physical and mental health, resilience and happiness, meaning-making, trauma healing, prosocial behavior, and more. We also talk through the ways that it is commonly understood to do harm.Greg's excellent notes for the episode: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ptfrebzxow04p8f/Cootsona%20Scientific%20Studies%20on%20Going%20to%20Church%202021.docx?dl=0Greg's "Science for the Church" post with lots of this data: https://scienceforthechurch.org/2021/03/09/when-the-body-can-gather-again/Dan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjA"For Blake" Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/for-blakeFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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I Don't Believe in that God: Joey Holman (Man on Man) (#118) May 17, 2021

Another installment of one of my favorite types of episodes, where I chat with people who don't identify as Christian. Often times, I also don't believe in the God that they don't believe in. Joey Holman (ex-Cool Hand Luke) is one half of the Polyvinyl Records duo Man on Man, alongside his boyfriend Roddy Bottum (Faith No More). He grew up in a broken home outside Atlanta, found Evangelical Christianity in his teens, experienced dissonance around his gay sexuality, and eventually did some therapy and gained a lot of insight about his journey. I truly enjoyed our wide-ranging conversation.Man on Man (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/album/6AnxYVoP4KPB14VjBnwYbd?si=53a17ebde4b34ac0Joey IG: https://www.instagram.com/holmanholmanholmanMan on Man IG: https://www.instagram.com/manonmanmusicDan's new music project Havana Swim Club on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6CzaYsf8RIrCHNDhFGSfgm?si=InuVGF2ESse9unLRXM3QJQhttps://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466eHavana Swim Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkhsQydzvcAHT2d70dWZvjA"For Blake" Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/for-blakeFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Most & Least Plausible Christian Claims (#117) May 10, 2021

I'm joined by Lillian Daniel and Tony Jones to play a kind of a podcast game with simple rules: we take turns going through some of the MOST and LEAST PLAUSIBLE Christian claims we were told growing up in the church. Sometimes funny, but more often insightful (especially coming from Tony and Lillian), this was a pleasure to record.Tony's site: https://reverendhunter.com/Lillian's site: https://www.lilliandaniel.com/Havana Swim Club "Lagoon" on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/6FNXLPqbXvIC9OZmHqy6cK?si=687fd1c987ee466e"Lagoon" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q59b1tH-SWo&ab_channel=HavanaSwimClub"Yeah" Spotify pre-save: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/havanaswimclub/yeahFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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All About Homeschooling (#116) May 03, 2021

My guest is Robert Kunzman, managing Director of the International Center for Home Education Research. He is a professor at Indiana University, where he teaches courses in curriculum, pedagogy, and philosophy of education. His research explores the intersection of citizenship, religion, and education, with a particular focus on homeschooling. Listeners of YHP asked almost every question in this episode, and Robert is so concise that we are able to get through pretty much all of them! As a researcher, his angle and answers are largely empirical, so keep that in mind -- we aren't getting, for instance, an emotional memoir of one person's insane experience in a home schooling cult. For that, I recommend the book "Educated" by Tara Westover. But this is a great and detailed conversation about a topic that many listeners have intense feelings about and/or history with.Thanks to everyone who submitted questions!International Center for Home Education Research: https://www.icher.org/Dan's episode of Boys Bible Study: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crime-of-the-age-1988-feat-dan-koch/id1492037987?i=1000519700616Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Opposite of Spiritual Abuse (#115) Apr 26, 2021

I had the immense privilege of speaking with Dr. Lisa Oakley, one of the leading researchers in the field of spiritual abuse. We talk about many aspects of SA, and then we move on to some of her newer research, focused on healthy communities in which such abuse does not thrive.World Relief Refugee petition: https://worldrelief.org/petition/Lisa’s 3 Questions:1. Would I want to be led by me?2. After people have had a conversation with me, do they leave feeling valued and respected?3. What is one thing I can do to start to develop a healthy culture in the place I'm in?Escape the Maze of Spiritual Abuse (Lisa's book): https://smile.amazon.com/Escaping-Maze-Spiritual-Abuse-Christian/dp/028108131X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=lisa+oakley&qid=1619393083&sr=8-1London Institute of Contemporary Christianity: https://licc.org.uk/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Worries About Progressive Christianity: Brad Jones (#114) Apr 19, 2021

In the first of what I hope are many conversations with those more conservative than myself about progressive Christianity, Brad Jones shares his worries and concerns, both personal and theological. This is a very open, frank, kind, and curious conversation between two people who agree on a good chunk of things but also disagree on a lot. I really enjoyed it and found it very helpful in understanding the experience of a more conservative person dealing with the uncertainty of a growing somewhat-alien movement.Brad: instagram.com/mrbradjonesFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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A Trans Christian & Her Bible (Podcast) (#113) Apr 12, 2021

This is a delightful conversation with the anonymous Twitter personality and podcaster known as Trans Regret Snoopy whose podcast Trans Regret Snoopy Presents the Bible is one of the best-named religious podcasts ever to exist, in my opinion. We talk about her (re)conversion, theology from the margins, why she is anonymous, trans activism, and more.My episode of TRS Presents the Bible: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trans-regret-snoopy-presents-the-bible/id1535749968Follow TRS on Twitter: https://twitter.com/myinvertedpenisFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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When I Almost Became Catholic (#112) Apr 05, 2021

Listener, patron, and Roman Catholic convert Jack Huber interviews me about my history with Catholicism in all its forms and the time that I got very close to becoming a Catholic.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Global Violence Against Women (#111) Mar 29, 2021

A difficult (but not as difficult to listen to as you might think!) conversation with philosopher, sociologist, and theologian Elaine Storkey about the state of woman-directed violence worldwide in all its forms, including:- selective abortion and infanticide- genital mutilation- early and enforced marriage- honor killings- domestic violence- trafficking and prostitution - rape- war and sexual violence But stick with us! There is some hope mixed in with the horror. And although this conversation was recorded in 2020, there is an obvious resonance with the recent murders in Atlanta.Scars Across Humanity: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CP5M1T4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1Women in a Patriarchal World: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08669BPZD/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0International Justice Mission: ijm.orgFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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"Christian Music": The Civil Wars' Joy Williams (#110) Mar 22, 2021

Continuing the series with those who have had experience in "Christian music," I speak with Joy Williams, known for both her solo career and her work with The Civil Wars. We talk about her upbringing and how it shaped her, the seedy underbelly of the Christian circuit, working in both Christian and general market scenes, her recent divorce, how she is raising her kids, how she sees God today, and more.Front Porch: https://open.spotify.com/album/0vK1POb7cjZdlZkShnqEDu?si=4lCJNjPfS9WKwqWNPX3J8wFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Republican Christianity & a Data-Fueled Center-Left Lovefest (#109) Mar 15, 2021

Politics. Identity. Tribalism. Woke culture. Partisanship perceptions. Racial resentment. "Holding their nose" for Trump. Immigration Rural/urban divide. All of these are more are touched upon in this wide-ranging data-fueled conversation between myself and Ryan Burge: professor, author, data analyst and ordained American Baptist pastor. We are both center-left sociopolitically, and we have a lot of fun looking at ways in which survey data and similar empirical evidence support this more moderate appraoch.David French, The Cultural Consequences of Very, Very Republican Christianity: https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/the-cultural-consequences-of-veryHow Liberal are Republicans…?: https://religionunplugged.com/news/2020/11/10/how-liberal-are-republicans-how-conservative-are-democrats-heres-what-americans-thinkIs ‘White Born-Again Christian’ Just a Synonym for ‘Republican’?: https://religioninpublic.blog/2019/02/05/is-white-born-again-christian-just-a-synonym-for-republican/For White Evangelicals, Approval of Trump is About Immigration more than Abortion: https://religioninpublic.blog/2020/08/27/for-white-evangelical-republicans-approval-of-trump-is-about-immigration-more-than-abortion/Ryan’s upcoming book The Nones: https://www.amazon.com/Nones-Where-They-Came-Going/dp/1506465854/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=the+nones+ryan+burge&qid=1606514488&sr=8-2ryanburge.nethttps://twitter.com/ryanburgeReligion in Public: http://religioninpublic.blogFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Certainty with Pete Enns (#108) Mar 08, 2021

I'm joined by author and Old Testament scholar Pete Enns to talk about certainty: why we want it, what it does for us psychologically, how he got interested in writing about it, what it has to do with "biblical" faith, and more. Peteenns.com -- his books, his podcast, and moreFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Ravi Zacharias, Religious Abuser (#107) Mar 01, 2021

I'm re-joined by Dr. Paula Swindle to go through the details of Ravi Zacharias's various abuses of power throughout his career as a Christian apologist. Specifically, Paula and I focus on these findings through the lens of religious or spiritual abuse, searching through the wreckage with an eye toward what each of us has found in our own research (hers much more extensive than my own!), as well as what we've picked up from other research and what Paula has seen directly through the religious abuse her own clients have survived over the years.Paula's episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000498837671Dispatch article: https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/you-are-one-step-away-from-complete-c25?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0Mjk3ODk0LCJwb3N0X2lkIjozMjUzNjkwMywiXyI6InIrYTlRIiwiaWF0IjoxNjEzNDA5ODIzLCJleHAiOjE2MTM0MTM0MjMsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0yMTc2NSIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.URwkcpHS-x7vwAMvjDt4SwP1VbRDbf7WUqeDf2U0wWk&fbclid=IwAR14rYfuGilG78CLennbL1dOBavwARv4A0NORdfNhr6_ehNQ3y8sFNtVNAIReport itself: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/rzimmedia.rzim.org/assets/downloads/Report-of-Investigation.pdfPaula's podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sacred-intersections/id1540524515Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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A Compassionate Progressive Response to Alisa Childers (#106) Feb 26, 2021

My first act of peaceful engagement and deescalation in the budding culture war between conservative/traditional and progressive/deconstructing Christians. May we be humble and kind peacemakers even as we disagree on important issues. May we reject tribalism in all its forms, embracing God in every one of God's creatures.The interview from which I pulled the clips:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ6doQsSQLU&t=44s&ab_channel=CapturingChristianityFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Deep Magic & Death Anxiety (#105) Feb 22, 2021

Sarah Lane Ritchie joins me for our regular chat to talk through two related topics: (1) a longing for the "deep magic" that used to move our Evangelical souls in tales like the Chronicles of Narnia, and (2) our own anxiety about death and the possibility that we will simply cease to exist (even though as Christians we hope that isn't the case). This episode is dedicated to Blake Beaver, beloved member of the YHP community, who passed away on Feb 14th, 2021. Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Christian Nationalism: Diagnosis & Treatment (#104) Feb 15, 2021

** Please take my Varieties of Church Experience Survey, and share with friends and family (especially more conservative ones!): https://northwestupsych.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3r3jgp1f2oqDJNc **As someone paying some attention to the news, I was not surprised that Trump was acquitted a second time in the Senate. But back on January 6th, I was somewhat surprised to see so much Christian imagery and signage at the Capitol Hill siege. David Cassidy, a PCA pastor in Franklin, TN, wrote an incredible tweet thread recently on Evangelicals, conspiracy theories, and Christian nationalism. We disagree theologically about plenty, but I respect the hell out of what he's doing, and this was a fantastic conversation. We need more leaders like David if this largely-lost generation of Baby Boomer Evangelicals is to be saved from themselves and brought back to God. David's original Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/dpcassidyc3/status/1350455524261814272?s=11Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Religious Disorientation & Growth (#103) Feb 08, 2021

** Please take my Varieties of Church Experience Survey, and share with friends and family (especially more conservative ones!): https://northwestupsych.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3r3jgp1f2oqDJNc **One of my most popular guests, Mark Karris (episode 45: "Toxic Christianity" & Its Damaging Claims), returns to talk about his book Religious Refugees. Specifically, we talk through the five symptoms of what he calls Religious Disorientation Growth Syndrome, as well as 5 possible ways forward toward re-orientation. Mark's book: https://www.amazon.com/Religious-Refugees-Constructing-Spiritual-Emotional/dp/1938480554/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1612811313&sr=1-15 Symptoms of Religious Disorientation Growth Syndrome: 1. Doubting or denying one’s religious beliefs that were once held as true.2. Subtle or intense anxiety about a person’s relationship with God. 3. Increase of painful emotions, such as anger, loneliness, shame, guilt, sadness, and despair. 4. Isolation (community is massive for healing, meaning-making, and growth after trauma) and criticism (feared or realized) from members within their own family and/or religious community. 5. Existential angst concerning a person’s identity and future selfThe 5 Stations of Healing we spoke about:1. Becoming aware of and using one’s emotions2. An “unholy huddle” — the importance of a community3. Listen and be mindful of our emotions and therefore our selves4. Values5. Open and Relational theologyMark's YouTube video about why people are leaving the church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGIrnQMXkkM&t=1sMarkGregoryKarris.comMark’s previous YHP episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission/id1448000113?i=1000457113992Join the Patreon for those resources Mark promised! patreon.com/dankochFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Two Feminists & their Bible (and Saints) (#102) Feb 01, 2021

Please take my Varieties of Church Experience survey, and share with friends and family: https://northwestupsych.az1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_cXX09dWdzBtxtOeI'm joined by Luci and Jordan, the hosts of the Two Feminists Annotate the Bible/Beatified Podcast. We talk through the feminist hermeneutic, the Anglican and Episcopal traditions, liturgy and "canon within a canon", the documentary hypothesis of Torah compilation, and more. Luci and Jordan's Bible podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-feminists-annotate-the-bible/id1139914425Their Beatified podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/two-feminists-annotate-the-beatified/id1476904755Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochFaith deconstruction resources: soyouredeconstructing.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Is the Enneagram Real? (#101) Jan 25, 2021

To celebrate 100 episodes -- that is, 101 episodes -- my friends join me to talk about a subject that everyone else seems to love a lot more than I do: the Enneagram! The 5 of us, 4 short of the holy number of 9 (myself, Sarey Martin Concepcion, Myron Penner, Sarah Lane Ritchie, and Tripp Fuller), take various positions on the Enneagram and have a lively debate/discussion about its usefulness (or not) and the extent to which is accurately maps onto reality. This is more of a fun, alcohol-soaked, lighthearted episode than we’re used to with YHP, and I think it is all the more special on that account.Can We Do Better Than the Enneagram?: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/january-february/enneagram-personality-psychology-research-based.htmlFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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A History of Conspiracy Theories & Evangelicals (#100) Jan 18, 2021

I’m joined by Dr. Sam Perry to discuss the tangled historical web of White Evangelicals in the US and their use of and affiliation for various conspiracy theories, starting in the 1950 around “outside agitators” in the Civil Rights movement. Sam traces through lines all the way up to Donald Trump, hitting the Moral Majority, Pat Robertson, Tim LaHaye/Left Behind, Obama, and birtherism along the way. We also get some historical context for many conspiracy theories that we were taught in Evangelical households growing up: the Satanic panic, New Age denunciations, the “gay agenda,” anti-Catholic sentiment, and more. We talk about parallel institutions within Evangelicalism and their distribution role in disseminating certain conspiracy theories. It was a lot to cover, and more could be said about almost every issue that came up, but I think listeners will find it helpful (and even entertaining) nonetheless.Sam’s article on The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/amp/evangelical-leaders-like-billy-graham-and-jerry-falwell-sr-have-long-talked-of-conspiracies-against-gods-chosen-those-ideas-are-finding-resonance-today-132241Why Are Christians Succeptible to Conspiracy Theories?:https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-are-christians-susceptible-to-conspiracy-theories/13003550The American Life "The Problem We All Live With": https://www.thisamericanlife.org/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with-part-oneRhetorics of Race and Religion on the Christian Right: https://www.amazon.com/Rhetorics-Race-Religion-Christian-Right-ebook/dp/B081LMTKFZEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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I Don't Believe in that God: Natalie Schepman (Joseph) (#99) Jan 11, 2021

Natalie Schepman of the band Joseph joins Dan for the latest in the “I Don’t Believe In That God” series, where Dan talks with folks do not consider themselves to be theists/Christians with the aim of getting to the bottom of what precisely they do not believe (in a non-evangelistic way). At the end of the conversation, the two compare their views and explore various areas where they agree/disagree. This conversation was delightful, full of laughs, and incisive.After the episode, a 10-minute clip from the most recent patron-exclusive episode is also included (1:59:00).Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Emergency Pod: Processing the Capitol Insurrection with John Van Deusen Jan 08, 2021

John and I were scheduled to record a patron-exclusive episode today, a follow-up to our previous episode. We didn’t feel that that conversation was possible to have, given our strong feelings and need to process what we witnessed yesterday on the news as thousands of Trump-led supporters rioted and broke into the Capitol building. We hope our processing is helpful for your own processing! We discuss our reactions and emotions around Trumpist Christians, Christian nationalism, repentance, grief, conversion and testimonies, prayer, deep narratives given to me during my Evangelical upbringing, and more.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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How Do Autistic Christians Relate to God? (#98) Jan 04, 2021

Budding autistic theologian Erin Burnett joins Dan to talk about her undergraduate thesis (Europe is slightly different, and Dan misspoke in the episode calling it a master’s thesis), which looked at the unique ways that autistic Christians understand and experience God. Erin finds that progressive Christianity tends to sit better with many autistic Christians, including herself, and — get this — she thinks there is ample evidence that St. Paul himself was autistic.https://autismfaithnetwork.com/Erin's blog post, "The Ramblings of an Autistic Christian": http://erinburnettauthor.co.uk/ramblings-autistic-christian/Erin's dissertation: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/TJGEAKSI6NKPCGDHINTR/full?target=10.1080%2F1756073X.2020.1850402&fbclid=IwAR3oYRKjPO8cepnr-eoE5HJ-jJZjePASVpYt9tK025BAI6dIFBJ1yyYz8f0Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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From Addict to Addictions Counselor (#97) Dec 29, 2020

Jed Payne, host of the Church & Other Drugs Podcast, shares his story of serious lifelong drug addiction, how he ended up an addictions counselor, as well as some of the psychological tactics those counselors use to help addicts toward recovery. Specifically, “motivational interviewing” is a common approach Jed uses in his work, and Dan has recently been learning and practicing MI as part of his own psych education. This fairly practical conversation takes place in front of a theological backdrop which considers the utilization of social science and social services to be spiritually significant, taking advantages of the gifts and resources of people, institutions, and governments to make our world look more like the Kingdom of God on earth.Church & Other Drugs podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/church-other-drugs/id1191035186Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Or Twitter: https://twitter.com/DanKochEdited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Spiritual Trauma & Scriptural Metaphors (#96) Dec 21, 2020

Ashley Davis Gavila does "trauma-informed life coaching & spiritual care” with clients who have often suffered religious or spiritual abuse. She is not a therapist, and her work is therefore distinct from therapy, but both her dissertation research and client work give her an interesting perspective on this issue that I am, as you now all know, so interested in. So how about some trauma-informed podcast content, just in time for awkward holiday family conversations?Ashley’s site: https://desertbloomhealing.com/Dissertation: https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1293&context=dminStreams of Living Water Podcast Series: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-94-streams-living-water-richard-foster-james/id917771018?i=1000391523930About the “Streams”: https://renovare.org/about/ideas/the-six-streamsFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Surprising Value of Megachurches (#95) Dec 17, 2020

I know, I know, I know. Megachurches are so often panned and criticized that it is hard to consider whether or not or in what ways they might actually be good for people. But here is some serious peer-reviewed research to help burst us our of our bubbles from veteran religion researcher James K. Wellman, Jr. (University of Washington). You might be surprised what you hear, so give it a chance!- Jim & Dan on Depolarize!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-a-crazy-moment-for-evangelicalism/id1163609659?i=1000421333623High on God: https://www.amazon.com/High-God-Megachurches-Heart-America/dp/0199827710/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=james+k+wellman&qid=1608081127&sr=8-6Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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"Christian Music": John Van Deusen (#94) Dec 14, 2020

The first in a series of conversations with musicians who have had some experiences with “Christian Music,” whatever that ultimately means. John Van Deusen is one of my absolute favorite recording artists, period. Formerly leading the band The Lonely Forest, his solo work of the last few years is both phenomenal and prolific. And he has some TAKES about the Christian music industry!“Mind Reader” played from album 1: https://open.spotify.com/album/4V3EmTpSjw69h307nW9zPK?si=aGOWTrTnRyaXNX4-taOWoA“None Other” played from album 2: https://open.spotify.com/album/6UlGiLqUWdqlozYuiOihI1?si=i7MesHC-TV-6VIeu8Zq4vA“Whatever Makes You Mine” played from Album 3: https://open.spotify.com/album/601b2dRqWuGBNLQUxWkhDI?si=goqndRx3RrOWOPJ5MVHNHwLive on KEXP session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NJAYG0Npb4Buffet: https://open.spotify.com/album/1G1ApeHhdPFlwESStrWhBa?si=_vnD3OUaQraFpUHtO3dDygFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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So, You're Deconstructing... (Dot Com) (#93) Dec 07, 2020

Today we are celebrating the launch of Sarey Martin Concepcion and I’s web resource soyouredeconstructing.com! To do so, our entire little friend group has gathered around some microphones to tell stories from our own faith journeys, touching on various topics that tend to come up for people whose faith is changing and re-forming. I’m joined by Sarey, Sarah Lane Ritchie, Myron Penner and Tripp Fuller. Make sure to check out the sillier companion episode to this that is also airing today as on the Homebrewed Christianity Podcast feed, where Tripp, Sarey, Mason Mennenga and I compete in an Evangelical Fantasy Draft while consuming multiple beverages (and you can even vote on who has the best team!).Homebrewed SYD Launch episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/homebrewed-christianity-podcast/id276269040#episodeGuid=https%3A%2F%2Ftrippfuller.com%2F%3Fp%3D32131soyouredeconstructing.comFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Church Failure, Church Future (#92) Nov 30, 2020

Dan talks with Tony Jones about the failures of the Emerging Church movement, of which he was a central part, and what’s going on today with churches in America. How might they thrive in the future? Are there any signs that they will make necessary changes? What happens to churches after Covid? Why do gay-affirming people stay in non-affirming churches? What role does church actually play in people’s lives? Why didn’t the Emerging Church leaders pass the baton to the next generation? What is going on today with the “Nones” and “Spiritual but not Religious”? These and many other interesting questions are batted around, and Tony is a very fun interview.The Reverend Hunter: https://reverendhunter.com/Dan’s B4NP Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bible-for-normal-people/id1215420422#episodeGuid=f6f74bbc-d7b0-41f1-8a63-45a1946c18e3Resources for faith de/reconstruction: soyouredeconstructing.comFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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So You Want a Bible Podcast: Jared Byas & The Bible for Normal People (#91) Nov 23, 2020

This is the first in a series of episodes where I interview hosts of podcasts that focus primarily on the Bible itself, since it is now clear to me that You Have Permission will never quite be one of those shows. And yet, there are many great shows that do focus on the Bible! So listen to these interviews, and see which Bible-focused podcasts resonate with you.SoYoureDeconstructing.comThe Bible for Normal People — https://peteenns.com/podcast/Genesis for Normal People: https://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Normal-People-Controversial-Misunderstood/dp/193922103XThe Bible Tells Me So: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Tells-Me-Defending-Scripture/dp/0062272039Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Varieties of Religious & Spiritual Abuse (#90) Nov 16, 2020

My guest is Dr. Paula Swindle, one of the only people in the world currently doing peer-reviewed research on the topic of spiritual and religious abuse. She is also on my dissertation committee (stoked!). We break down the varieties/types/settings of this kind of abuse in detail, and it’s a fantastic conversation.Dr. Swindle on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drpaulaswindle/Sacred Intersections Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sacred-intersections/id1540524515S.I. on IG: https://www.instagram.com/sacredintersectionspodcast/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Catholic Clergy Abuse Crisis (#89) Nov 09, 2020

I chat with Karna Lozoya, host of the Crisis Podcast, chronicling the largely sexual clergy abuse scandal in the Catholic church, with a special focus on the last couple years.Crisis Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crisis-clergy-abuse-in-the-catholic-church/id1526136389Pope Francis daily homilies: http://www.popefrancishomilies.com/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Election Special: Persecuted Christians, Mask-less Worship Gatherings & QAnon Nov 02, 2020

...in which in lieu of a new YHP episode, we feature friend of the podcast Jon Ward and his *fantastic* conversation with WORLD Magazine contributors Mindy & Emily Belz. Jon's show notes are below.****Mindy Belz has been with World Magazine since its founding in 1986. It’s a publication aimed at evangelical Christians, started by her brother in law, Joel Belz. Emily Belz, Mindy’s daughter, is also at World now, and has worked at the New York Daily News and The Indianapolis Star.Mindy has spent 20 years covering the plight of Christians in Iraq and Syria. This is a story that truly did get overlooked: before the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, there were about 1 million Christians in Iraq, living out a version of the faith with incredibly ancient roots. Many Christians in that region still speak Aramaic, the tongue that Christ himself spoke. But 17 years later, the Christian community in Iraq has been decimated by violence and intimidation. Only about 100,000 Christians remain there. The faith there has almost become extinct in terms of sheer population size. Mindy and I discuss a little bit how much decisions made, or not made, by the Bush administration, are responsible for that. Mindy’s book on this topic, “They Say We are Infidels: On the Run from from ISIS With Persecuted Christians in the Middle East,” came out in 2015. I recommend it. The suffering of this community there, and in Syria, is tough to comprehend. I first thought of interviewing Mindy when I saw her tweet something last May. It was in response to protests against COVID restrictions. "For 6 yrs I've reported on Christians chased from their homes & churches by ISIS, seen their testimony, steadiness, care for one another. How utterly disheartening to watch the American church come apart in a 10-wk shutdown. They shall be known by their demand for their rights,” she wrote. Mindy’s bigger critique of American Christians is two fold: they have no idea what real religious persecution looks like is one part of it. But she also notes the narrowness of demanding rights to do whatever one wants while disregarding the impact of not wearing masks and distancing on those who are most vulnerable — which is not just the older but also people who are poor and on the margins, those without health insurance who are going to avoid going to the doctor or ER if they get sick until it’s too late. And she contrasts this with a vision of the common good that characterizes Middle East Christians...****Jon also brings this into conversation with the recent spate of mask-free and non-distanced worship gatherings led most prominently by Sean Feucht.The Long Game Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-game/id1248994688Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Secular Therapy's Religion Blind Spot (#88) Oct 26, 2020

My guest is Dr. Kirk Honda, psychologist, professor, and co-host of the fantastic Psychology in Seattle Podcast. We talk about what the psychological research says about the role of faith in people’s lives, about how that is often a blindspot for non-religious therapists despite very strong evidence, and a little about his own faith story as well.Psychology in Seattle: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/psychology-in-seattle-podcast/id767626637Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Everybody Now: Climate Emergency & Sacred Duty (#87) Oct 19, 2020

We’ve caused a turning point in the Earth’s natural history. Everybody Now is a podcast about what it means to be human on the threshold of a global climate emergency, in a time of systemic injustice and runaway pandemics. Scientists, activists, farmers, poets, and theologians talk bravely and frankly about how our biosphere is changing, about grief and hope in an age of social collapse and mass extinction, and about taking action against all the odds.On 19th October 2020, Everybody Now is being released by podcasters all over the world as a collective call for awareness, grief and loving action. With contributions from:Dr. Gail Bradbrook - scientist and co-founder of Extinction RebellionProf. Kevin Anderson - Professor of Energy and Climate Change at the University of ManchesterDámaris Albuquerque - works with agricultural communities in NicaraguaDr. Rowan Williams - theologian and poet, and a former Archbishop of CanterburyPádraig Ó Tuama - poet, theologian and conflict mediatorRachel Mander - environmental activist with Hope for the FutureJohn Swales - priest and activist, and part of a community for marginalised peopleZena Kazeme - Persian-Iraqi poet who draws on her experiences as a former refugee to create poetry that explores themes of exile, home, war and heritageFlo Brady - singer and theatre makerHannah Malcolm - Anglican ordinand, climate writer and organiserAlastair McIntosh - writer, academic and land rights activistDavid Benjamin Blower - musician, poet and podcasterFunding and Production: This podcast was crowdfunded by a handful of good souls, and produced by Tim Nash and David Benjamin BlowerPermissions:The song Happily by Flo Brady is used with permission.The song The Soil, from We Really Existed and We Really Did This by David Benjamin Blower, used with permission.The Poem The Tree of Knowledge by Pádraig Ó Tuama used with permission.The Poem Atlas by Zena Kazeme used with permission.The Poem What is Man? by Rowan Williams from the book The Other Mountain, used with permission from Carcanet Press.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Christian Movie Industry (#86) Oct 12, 2020

I spoke with Luke Barnett and Vince Masciale, the guys behind the new indy comedy Faith Based, about a pair of misfit buddies who try and make a quick buck by directing a Christian movie and selling it to the fictitious “Christflix” streaming channel. To make their own film, they did quite a bit of market research around the Christian movie industry, so naturally I was interested to talk about that. We also get into other forms of independent faith-based art like the Christian ska and punk scene of the 90’s and 2000’s. This is a breezy, fun conversation by YHP standards, and I really enjoyed it.Faith Based Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn6Lfa-EkNALuke on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LukeBarnettFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Infertility, Babies & a Fresh Experience of God (#85) Oct 05, 2020

Dr. Sarah Lane Ritchie joins for her inaugural regular guest spot on YHP to discuss her and Dan’s shared recent experience of having their first children. They each tell their respective stories of infertility and IVF, and various theological and psychological implications of these are discussed, including: the role of neurotransmitter’s in God’s communication to humans, CS Lewis’s idea of Joy as a “foretaste” of the Kingdom of God, Hell, wonder/awe, the multiverse, and more.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Hell & Universalism in a Global Context (#84) Sep 28, 2020

When Dr. Greg Cootsona (California State University, Chico) heard a recent episode that touched on the questions of Hell and Universal Salvation, he emailed me almost immediately and mentioned that something was lacking in our treatment of that topic: other religions and perspectives of the span of geography and time. This is especially relevant because doctrines about the afterlife tend to make a lot of claims about people outside the membership of Christianity. Naturally, I invited him back on the show to talk at length about this topic, and indeed we did talk *at length* because it is such a fascinating topic. Other than complimenting me too often (we edited out as many as we could), Greg is a perfect podcast guest!Faith + Letters Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-and-letters/id1525445129Greg’s Blog: http://cootsona.blogspot.com/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Habit, Virtue, Prayer & Science (#83) Sep 21, 2020

Bradley Wright is a Protestant professor of sociology at the University of Connecticut where he studies American Christianity, spirituality, and well-being. Sofia Corozza is a Catholic phd student at Cambridge studying child neurodevelopment. Also, she is Brad’s goddaughter, which makes for a lovely interplay between the two of them. So why care about habits and virtue? Aren’t these old fashioned notions? Well, habits are very closely linked to positive change of all sorts, and if there is one thing missing at least in our *public* life these days, virtue might top that list. Prayer seems to interact with both of these concepts regularly, and I am always asking: what is the science behind each of these? What do we know and with how much confidence?Sofia’s Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/synapsesofthesoul/Bradley’s Site: http://bradleywrightphd.com/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Who Are the "Spiritual But Not Religious"? (#82) Sep 14, 2020

If you spend any significant time reading or listening to scholars of religion, looking at polling of religious groups, or anything like that, then you have probably heard the term Spiritual But Not Religious thrown out there. This will usually come with a sentence or two of description, something like, people who do not identify with any particular religion, or people who are neither religious nor atheist. But I wanted to go further and better understand this group, not least because many of this show’s listeners find themselves in this category. Another fact often included when the Spiritual but not Religious are mentioned is that they are the fastest growing religious group in America; yet another reason to take a longer peek under the hood.I’m joined by returning guest Terry Shoemaker, who is a researcher and professor of religious studies at Arizona State University. About a year ago he was on the show talking about what he calls culture war Christianity, and there’s a link to that episode in the show notes today if you didn't catch it.In addition to discussing the SBNR, we also talk about the possible future effects of both the pandemic and evangelical support for Trump on American religion.Terry’s episode from last year: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/to-escape-culture-war-christianity-16/id1448000113?i=1000434412065The Myth of Disenchantment - https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Disenchantment-Magic-Modernity-Sciences-ebook/dp/B0727LKR8CLosing Our Religion - https://www.amazon.com/Losing-Our-Religion-Unaffiliated-Children-ebook/dp/B010VIKQ0E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=losing+our+religion&qid=1600044922&s=books&sr=1-1The End of White Christian America - https://www.amazon.com/End-White-Christian-America/dp/1501122320Terry.shoemaker@asu.edEdited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Pastors, Therapist Referrals & Mental Health in the Church (#81) Sep 07, 2020

Short interviews with three pastors in different traditions (Foursquare, Episcopal, and Presbyterian-PCA) about their process of referring congregants to therapists in their area. This is a topic that it seems to me could use some more attention, not least because pastors are in a *perfect* position to help Christians of all stripes get the mental health help that they need when they need it, and most of us will need this kind of help at some point in our lives (whether or not we take that step). We talk about referral practices, finding trustworthy therapists, finding therapists who understand where Christian clients are coming from, pitfalls and possibilities within the church around mental health, a little about some of these pastors’ own therapeutic experiences, and more.Dr. Doug Bursch / Fairly Spiritual: https://www.fairlyspiritual.org/Kira Austin-Young: https://twitter.com/kmaustinyoungJon Haralson / Grace Church Seattle: https://graceseattle.org/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Myron is a Demon Skeptic (#80) Aug 31, 2020

My guest (and dear friend) philosopher Myron A. Penner joins me to talk about demons. His position is as follows:1. Not ruling out their existence2. Quite skeptical what we could really know about them3. Somewhat opposed morally, given how they function in human/religious affairsWe also talk about the phenomena of increased “possession” in non-Western countries, culture-bound mental health syndromes, the role of expectation in experience, some (I think) helpful concepts from psychologist Richard Beck, and more.Reviving Old Scratch: https://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Old-Scratch-Doubters-Disenchanted/dp/150640135XThe Slavery of Death: https://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Death-Richard-Beck/dp/1620327775Culture-Bound Syndromes: https://sacwellness.com/culture-bound-syndromes/Myron: https://www.twu.ca/profile/myron-pennerFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Short-term Missions & Amy Peterson's Story (#79) Aug 24, 2020

This is a wonderful and wide-ranging conversation with the author of one of my favorite books I’ve read in a long time. We talk about Amy Peterson’s missionary story and the Christian soil in which she was raised before turning our gaze to the topic of short-term missions more broadly.Dangerous Territory: https://smile.amazon.com/Dangerous-Territory-Misguided-Quest-World-ebook/dp/B01MRCB54Y/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=amy+peterson+books&qid=1598121703&sr=8-4Where Goodness Still Grows: https://smile.amazon.com/Where-Goodness-Still-Grows-Reclaiming/dp/0785225668/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=amy+peterson+books&qid=1598121703&sr=8-1Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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End Times Popularity: Part 2 (#78) Aug 17, 2020

End Times Popularity: Part 2 (#78)

Part 2 of a series that addresses the question “Why was End Times/Left Behind/Rapture theology *so popular* by the time we grew up in the 90s and 2000s?” Please start with Part 1, last week’s episode.My main argument:1. The people whose evangelizing kicked off the Jesus Movement were primarily fundamentalists and they were themselves already very focused on biblical prophecy2. In the early 70s, there was enough global chaos and uncertainty, along with one very important “fulfilled prophecy” that made it seem plausible that the world might indeed be coming to a close3. By the time Left Behind came around in the 90s, that same Jesus Movement generation held the primary places of power and influence in Evangelical circlesCovered in this episode:- The Jesus Movement generation were the ones with cultural power in the Evangelical world by the time Left Behind came out- A straightforward and literal reading of the Bible is always popular, especially in America, and it plays into a few common American characteristics- Where are they now? All four interviewees relay their current beliefs about the End Times- Sally answers some of the questions the original interview subjects answered in the End Times Anxiety series

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End Times Popularity: Part 1 (#77) Aug 10, 2020

Earlier this year, I released a 4-part series called End Times Anxiety, chronicling mental health and related challenges of younger folks who had been adversely affected by Left Behind and similar visions of the Rapture and end of the world within conservative Protestant theology and culture. Throughout working on that project, I found myself continually asking myself and others, “Why did they buy it in the first place? How did this thinking become *so popular*?” These two episodes are my attempt at answering that question, pulling from my own review of the available academic research as well as four interviews I conducted with Baby Boomers who had been a part of the Jesus Movement in the 1970s. My main argument is as follows:1. The people whose evangelizing kicked off the Jesus Movement were primarily fundamentalists and they were themselves already very focused on biblical prophecy2. In the early 70s, there was enough global chaos and uncertainty, along with one very important “fulfilled prophecy” that made it seem plausible that the world might indeed be coming to a close3. By the time Left Behind came around in the 90s, that same Jesus Movement generation held the primary places of power and influence in Evangelical circlesThis is not an exhaustive explanation, but it has helped me come up with a basic framework that helps me make sense of my 90s Left Behind-soaked experience. Hopefully it might be helpful for you as well!Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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When Spiritual Heroes are Sexual Predators (Jean Vanier) (#76) Aug 03, 2020

Many of you heard the news about Jean Vanier, founder of L’Arche International and one of my own lifetime spiritual heroes, when it came to light in February that he had sexually abused multiple women under his care as their spiritual director. This was not like Harvey Weinstein -- Vanier was a world-renowned spiritual leader and thinker; he was on his way to sainthood. Jennifer Kelly (former director of L’Arche Seattle, local assistant to Vanier) and my friend Chris Hoke (Underground Ministries) help me unpack this complicated situation.L’Arche International findings article: https://www.larche.org/news/-/asset_publisher/mQsRZspJMdBy/content/inquiry-statement-test?_101_INSTANCE_mQsRZspJMdBy_redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.larche.org%2Fnews%3Fp_p_id%3D101_INSTANCE_mQsRZspJMdBy%26p_p_lifecycle%3D0%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-1%26p_p_col_count%3D1Principles of Discernment - http://blog.adw.org/2018/01/six-principles-discernment/Jesuit Restorative Justice Initiative - http://www.jrji.org/index.htmlUnderground Ministries - https://undergroundministries.org/Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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I Don't Believe in that God: Hawk Nelson's Jon Steingard (#75) Jul 27, 2020

Jon Steingard, singer of Contemporary Christian rock band Hawk Nelson, made quite a splash in some Christian circles a couple months back when he announced that he was no longer a Christian and did not believe in God. I was able to talk at least with Jon about his own process, as well as where the two of us actually agree, and where we ultimately differ on God’s existence and attributes. We got into inerrancy, certainty, open theism and the problem of evil and suffering, along with plenty more.BadChristian Interview with John: http://www.badchristian.com/bc_podcast/hawk-nelsons-no-longer-believes-in-god/Karen Armstrong’s A History of God: https://smile.amazon.com/History-God-000-Year-Judaism-Christianity/dp/0345384563/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=a+history+of+god&qid=1595800422&sr=8-1Steingard Creative: http://www.steingardcreative.com/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Conspiracy Theories, Evangelicals, Media & More (#74) Jul 20, 2020

This week, we have a pretty wide-ranging conversation with Yahoo News reporter Jon Ward. Eventually, we get around to my initial goal of talking about conspiracy theories and Evangelical subculture, but along the way we also talk about:- vaccines and anti-vax movement- confederate monuments- voter suppression- free speech- partisan media- public discourse- political psychology- his charismatic Protestant upbringing- and more! Jon is one of my favorite journalists working today. His podcast The Long Game has focused on the role of institutions in our public life, and recently he has focused more on conspiracy theories and free speech.The Long Game Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-game/id1248994688Jon’s Yahoo! profile: https://www.yahoo.com/author/jon-ward/D.L. Mayfield’s article: https://religionnews.com/2020/06/05/why-american-evangelicals-are-so-tempted-by-the-easy-assurance-of-conspiracy-theories/Atlantic QAnon piece: https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2020/05/qanon-q-pro-trump-conspiracy/611722/Autism piece: https://slate.com/culture/2016/01/in-a-different-key-a-history-of-autism-by-john-donvan-and-caren-zucker-reviewed.htmlDepolarize! “Is the 81% Statistic Reliable?” episode with Jon Ward: http://depolarize.blubrry.net/2018/04/02/is-that-81-statistic-reliable-a-closer-look-at-evangelicals/Psychology in Seattle Conspiracy Theories episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-theories/id767626637?i=1000475748063Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Testimonies (#73) Jul 13, 2020

We hear four stories of white Christians coming to see the reality of systemic racial injustice in American society: a Republican corporate attorney and member of the Federalist Society, a pastor’s kid whose sisters work with refugees (one of whom married an African man), a nurse confronting disparities in medical care, and a mother thinking through her own history and wanting to give her daughter something better.To acknowledge the problem of systemic racial injustice is not the same as to endorse some particular lens through which to view it (like Critical Race Theory) nor some particular policy over another (like reparations, affirmative action, or implicit bias training). This episode is about the process of coming to an awareness of these injustices.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Miroslav Volf: Flourishing, Theology & Psychology (#72) Jul 06, 2020

I’m joined by titan of modern theology Mirosalv Volf to talk about human flourishing and its relationship with theology and psychology. Which field gives us direction, and which fills out the mechanisms for how to get there? This was a fantastic conversation.For the Life of the World Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-life-of-the-world-yale-center-for-faith-culture/id1505076294Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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LGBTQ, Hell, Science & Scripture in Youth Work (#71) Jun 29, 2020

What are the big questions that high schoolers and young adults are asking in their faith communities? I asked Josh Patterson, co-host of the (Re)Thinking Faith Podcast, about his own experience as a youth and young adult pastor at the uniquely multi-cultural and theologically centrist Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg, MD. LGBTQ issues, Hell, Science, Scriptural questions, the problem of evil and more are discussed. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to check out "Evil, Hell, & Evidence for God at a Christian College (#54)” as well.- Rethinking Faith Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524- https://theyouthcartel.com/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Quagmire of Modern Missions (#70) Jun 22, 2020

I interview Jim and Breanna Randall, missionaries (if you want to call them that) in Myanmar. We talk about the various pitfalls that are present in modern day missions work (bad actors, psychologists breaking their oaths to do no harm, donor fragility, American/White Exceptionalism, and more), as well as some more hopeful potential ways forward.CORRECTION: I said Jamie Lee Finch was the “Worst Missionary,” but that is actually Jamie WrightBreanna’s Francis Chan piece: https://faithfullymagazine.com/myanmar-francis-chan-ministry/Desmond Tutu Children’s Bible: https://smile.amazon.com/Children-Storybook-Bible-Archbishop-Desmond/dp/0310719127/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=desmond+tutu+bible&qid=1592798668&s=books&sr=1-1Unsettling Truths: https://smile.amazon.com/Unsettling-Truths-Dehumanizing-Doctrine-Discovery/dp/0830845259/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=unsettling+truths&qid=1592798645&s=books&sr=1-2Dangerous Territory: https://smile.amazon.com/Dangerous-Territory-Misguided-Quest-World/dp/1627075976/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=dangerous+territory&qid=1592798554&sr=8-1Assimilate or Go Home: https://smile.amazon.com/Assimilate-Go-Home-Missionary-Rediscovering/dp/0062388800/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=assimilate+or+go+home&qid=1592798542&sr=8-1Decolonizing Wealth: https://www.decolonizingwealth.com/Breanna‘s twitter: @randallbreannaBreanna’s Instagram: @br_randallKaitlin Curtice: https://kaitlincurtice.com/Christina Cleveland: http://www.christenacleveland.com/No White Saviors: https://nowhitesaviors.org/Support the Randalls: https://burmachronicle.com/blog/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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What Comes After a Racial Awakening? (#69) Jun 15, 2020

One thing that I am really encouraged by amidst all the protest and civil unrest is how many white people seem to have genuinely woken up to the presence of systemic racism in American society. But what comes AFTER that moment, specifically from a faith perspective? In terms of theology, prayer, church, and seeing ourselves as part of God’s story more broadly, what might be some next steps, ripple effects, etc? I’m joined by Jason Davison and Sarah Lane Ritchie to think and talk through this question.Jason Davison “The Father’s Plea”: http://www.rainieravenuechurch.org/sermons/the-fathers-plea/Jason Davison “Once For All” (sermon starts around 40 minutes in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kdf43NcPi4Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Listening (#68) Jun 08, 2020

Black Americans and other people of color are understandably exhausted right now, so what better time to pull something out of the vault that speaks to our current moment? In 2017, on my old Depolarize! Podcast, I interviewed 5 Christians of color about their experience growing up non-white in America, as well as a number of issues related to Evangelicalism and politics. I’m happy to say that the idea that a largely white audience should spend time simply listening to stories like this *feels* more widely accepted today than it did in 2017. Nonetheless, there is always more listening to be done, and these are some powerful stories.https://8cantwait.org/http://theandcampaign.comhttps://thewitnessbcc.com/Pass the Mic Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pass-the-mic/id1435500798Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Bonus: "I Am Not Your Negro" Film Response (Re-broadcast) Jun 04, 2020

*This was recorded before I knew the proper pronunciation of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Jonathan Haidt's names*Back in 2017, my history buff good friend Ryan Downs and I recorded a short reaction to watching the James Baldwin documentary I Am Not Your Negro. It is a timely if incomplete discussion given recent events. I recommend watching the film first -- it is available for free on Prime Video if you have that subscription, and rentable else -- then listening to our brief discussion.https://www.amazon.com/I-Am-Not-Your-Negro/dp/B01MR52U7T

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Sexual Shame (#67) Jun 01, 2020

Dan is joined by author and podcaster Matthias Roberts to talk about his new book Beyond Shame and the topic of sexual shame more broadly. His own story sheds interesting light on this topic because, as a gay person, Matthias found himself feeling sexual shame over heterosexual images and potential activities that he did not find sexually alluring at all. If sexual shame can be produced without actual sexual desire as an ingredient, what does that tell us about it? Also, Dan reveals more about his own sexuality and sex life than he planned to because that is just how warm and engaging Matthias is!Beyond Shame: https://smile.amazon.com/Beyond-Shame-Creating-Healthy-Terms/dp/1506455662/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=beyond+shame&qid=1590953881&sr=8-1Queerology Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/queerology-a-podcast-on-belief-and-being/id1241721675Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Young Americans’ Views on Science & Faith (#66) May 25, 2020

What do younger Americans (18-30 year olds) think about science, faith, and the relationship between them? Which issues “count” as “science/faith” issues? You might be surprised at some of the answers to these questions. This episode is for listeners who have enjoyed getting a “peak behind the curtain” of this massive culture change/wave that we seem to be caught up in right now. Dr. Greg Cootsona is a religion researcher out of Chico State in California and is involved in a big research program about this topic.Greg’s HuffPo piece: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/four-surprising-things-em_b_8453820Negotiating Science and Religion in America: https://smile.amazon.com/Negotiating-Science-Religion-America-Present-ebook/dp/B082BHC8Z5/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=greg+cootsona&qid=1590348732&sr=8-3Mere Science and Christian Faith: https://smile.amazon.com/Mere-Science-Christian-Faith-Bridging-ebook/dp/B07CP42VBD/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=greg+cootsona&qid=1590348732&sr=8-1Science for the Church - https://scienceforthechurch.org/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Hell Anxiety Scale (#64) May 11, 2020

This week, I speak with two sociologists of religion, Joseph Leman and Stephen Cranney, about the Hell Anxiety Scale that they developed, as well as the academic study of the overlap of psychology and religion more broadly, what other research around this topic has revealed, how they pursue this work as people of faith themselves, and whether it’s possible to be confident BOTH that there is a Hell AND that you yourself are heading there.Hell Anxiety Paper: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3liw0xh7gb1zu1i/Hell%20Anxiety%20Scale.pdf?dl=0Joseph Leman’s site: https://www.baylor.edu/BIC/index.php?id=961526Stephen Cranney’s site: https://stephencranney.github.io/Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Islam: Truth Over Fear (#63) May 04, 2020

I talk a lot about religious pluralism on this podcast, and therefore really appreciated this opportunity to talk with the Rev. Dr. Charles Kimball about his book Truth Over Fear and his lifetime of interreligious work. We cover Islamaphobia, fear-mongering, Sharia Law, religious liberty, and more.Truth Over Fear: https://smile.amazon.com/Truth-Over-Fear-Combating-About/dp/066426462X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=truth+over+fear&qid=1588557139&sr=8-1Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Exvangelical or Post-Evangelical? (#62) Apr 27, 2020

My guest Jessica Knippel is a PhD student in Women & Religion at Claremont Graduate School, and has been researching the Exvangelical / Post-Evangelical world. I was curious to talk with her about what she and other colleagues have learned about this massive exodus of mostly young people out of the American Evangelical movement, as well as figuring out where I myself and where this podcast stands among that contingent.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Jessi on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jessiknippelCentral Ave Church: https://centralavenuechurch.org/Church Clarity: https://www.churchclarity.org/Lonnie Frisbee documentary *RECOMMENDED*: https://smile.amazon.com/Frisbee-Life-Death-Hippie-Preacher/dp/B00L40IW1Y/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=frisbee+documentary&qid=1587941809&sr=8-1Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Fine-Tuning & the Multiverse (#61) Apr 20, 2020

Dan is joined by Methodist minister and astrophysicist David Wilkinson, professor of theology at Durham University and member of the Royal Astronomical Society. They talk about the so-called “fine-tuning” of our universe, the “anthropic principle” / “goldilocks enigma,” and multiverse theory as a common non-theist rejoinder for theistic arguments for God’s existence based on this fine-tuning. Whether or not the multiverse can be “proven,” does it even work as a counterargument, or does it “kick the can down the road” in some way? This issue is one of the ones that pushes me toward theism and away from atheism and agnosticism, but even if it doesn’t do that for you, it seems very much worth thinking about.See photos of Dan's new son (and very little else) on Instagram: @dancokeTwitter: @dankochEdited by Laura KondourajianJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comWebsite: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Why I Am (Still) a Christian (#60) Apr 13, 2020

I’m joined by my dear friend Ben Bishop, who is both a fantastic interviewer in his own right and a former patron-only episode guest. I asked Ben to interview me on the topic of why I am (still) a Christian. No one ever asks me, “Why are you a Christian?” Or very rarely, anyway. But pretty regularly, in the context of conversations about deconstruction or Biblical inerrancy or something similar, people will ask, “Why are you *still* a Christian?” I thought it might be helpful to answer that and give one more data point for listeners as they figure out their own faith allegiances, theologies, etc. We talk about religious/Christian pluralism a good bit, as that is particularly interesting to Ben, and toward the end is when I give probably my most succinct answer to the question, drawing on the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord’s Prayer, and other basics I don’t think I could live without. Feel free to skip forward to 1:15:00 or so if you want to hear that concise answer before going into the weeds with us.Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (joshgilbertmedia@gmail.com -- he is accepting more work!)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Coronavirus & The Problem of Evil (#59) Apr 06, 2020

Dan is joined by philosopher Myron Penner (Trinity Western University) and theologian Sarah Lane Ritchie (University of Edinburgh) to talk through all things Coronavirus and the Problem of Evil (mostly the “Natural Problem of Evil” but not exclusively). They discuss some interesting angles on this discussion, as well as numerous “solutions” on offer by Christian thinkers. Myron brings in some cognitive science and Sarah brings a focus on the lived experience of suffering. Soul-making, “life is a gift,” “it’s because of the Fall,” and more approaches are discussed. The conversation is long, but it moves briskly!Biologos article: https://biologos.org/post/coronavirus-and-the-problem-of-evil?fbclid=IwAR3WoLwVdX7uIdP3pOqFIOEOjuzDiOa2nn5QyVsKlxHeMzV2W6AqtAc00MENT Wright article: https://time.com/5808495/coronavirus-christianity/?fbclid=IwAR0bWp5te66J2b0xIx_zmLi4HZXIWDyWjm3WN1LVTQ9AoDgye5gkrE7wo94Tom Oord’s response to Wright: http://thomasjayoord.com/index.php/blog/archives/we-can-lament-and-explain?fbclid=IwAR0xlA8Cygv6q_H--JIU-qr67zE1S5iFbItcVVnMadAGzVzicKRKwd4BDKcWildman article: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0aesf9qr3rq2vaq/Wildman_2007_Incongruous_Goodness.pdf?dl=0Clayton book: https://www.amazon.com/Predicament-Belief-Science-Philosophy-Faith/dp/019969527XFollow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Cosmic / Universal Christ (#58) Mar 23, 2020

This somewhat winding conversation with Dr. Tripp Fuller (Homebrewed Christianity Podcast) swirls around the concept of the Cosmic Christ, also known as the Universal Christ. Tripp and I attempt to answer four questions: Why attach the name Christ to Jesus in the first place? Why use the term "Cosmic" Christ? (What is that supposed to mean or signify?) How has the phrase "Cosmic" changed given evolution, the age of the universe, and modern science? Finally, how has the concept "Christ" changed as a result of what humanity has learned since the days of early Christianity? We also try out a few definitions of the term along the way.Ilia Delio on Homebrewed Christianity: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/entangled-god-my-heart-ilia-delio-cosmiccampfire/id276269040?i=1000421870802Ilia’s books: https://smile.amazon.com/Ilia-Delio/e/B001JS2T2E?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_3&qid=1584839597&sr=8-3Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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We Are Italy: Coronavirus & Science-Informed Faith Mar 17, 2020

I took a break from my every-other-week break with our newborn to have a conversation with one of the smartest people I know, Robbie Evans, a strategic director at a medical diagnostics company in Silicon Valley. He put together a Google Doc (linked below -- read first if you can) about some real and scary possibilities and likely projections for the US and COVID-19. This is not a time for (arbitrary) theological platitudes and claims about God and global diseases; rather, it is a time for a science-informed faith that helps us to best love our neighbors as ourselves. Consequently, most of this episode is spent on what we know from the best and most current data and projections. Stay safe, and stay home as much as you possibly can!Robbie’s full document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n-IaCZ7jSu_usI3f4gw5CZIQXcM4AGMdfEUtLZKfj4M/edit?fbclid=IwAR1V2mhT4gM_JwGEoeowr7uCQmIss3uYDCtCdzrVItqTEhP9Aps_WDiznHI#heading=h.3lszibyotnnyCDC COVID-19 All Categories: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.htmlIf you’re sick: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sick.htmlBasic prevention/protection: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/prevention.htmlUPDATE RE: UK: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-herd-immunity-uk-boris-johnson/608065/

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Wrapping Our Faith in Doubt (#57) Mar 09, 2020

We often think of our doubts as counting *against* our faith: if we have enough reasons to believe in the “faith” column, then that will be enough to discount all the problems in the “doubts” column. But what if true modern faith will always include doubts? What if the presence of certain kinds of doubt actually shows that we are doing things right? Dan interviews Philip Clayton (Claremont School of Theology) on this and related questions.The Predicament of Belief: https://smile.amazon.com/Predicament-Belief-Science-Philosophy-Faith/dp/0199677964/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=predicament+of+belief&qid=1583550080&sr=8-2Follow Dan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/dancoke/Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochEmail about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Liberal Christianity's Origin Story (#56) Feb 24, 2020

it isn't as nerdy as it sounds, but... I spoke with Reverend Doctor Catherine Kelsey about the beginnings of what today we would call liberal Christianity, through the work of the theologian Friedrich Schleiermacher. His way of thinking about the experience of faith has really been resonating with me lately, and Cathie wrote a great simple book about that topic. She is also quite pastoral, and I was surprised how healing and challenging our conversation ended up being.Will and Spirit: https://www.amazon.com/Will-Spirit-Contemplative-Gerald-May/dp/0062505823/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=Thinking about Christ with Schleiermacher: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Christ-Schleiermacher-Catherine-Kelsey/dp/0664225942/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=thinking+about+christ+with+schleiermacher&qid=1582070228&s=books&sr=1-1Instagram: @dancokeTwitter: @dankochEdited by Laura KondourajianJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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I Don't Believe In That God (Patron Exclusive) (#55) Feb 17, 2020

Since the baby has not arrived yet, I was able to put a little something together in between formal episodes! This originally aired as a patron-exclusive episode, and was received so well that I thought it might be worth sharing with everyone on an off-week like this. Fellow Seattle Jim becker and I discuss his own story, why he now considers himself an atheist, what kind of God it is exactly that he does not believe in, and how our own views overlap and diverge. It was a really great conversation, and I believe will be the first in a “I Don’t Believe In That God” series, split up between the patron-only feed and the main podcast feed. To become a patron, head to patreon.com/dankoch. If you can’t afford $5/mo, take advantage of our sliding scale by emailing me at youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comInstagram: @dancokeTwitter: @dankochJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Evil, Hell, & Evidence for God at a Christian College (#54) Feb 10, 2020

Dan sits down with friend and philosopher Matthew Benton (Seattle Pacific University) to talk through five common questions that come up commonly with undergraduate students at his Christian university:- How could a loving God send anyone to Hell?- Why is there so much religious diversity if one religion is (most) true?- If there is a loving God, why is there so much evil and suffering in the world?- Why isn't there stronger evidence for God's existence?- What are the right ways to interpret the Bible? (On which issues?)“Hell & the God of Justice:” https://www.dropbox.com/s/54aaammsvsn28hx/MMAdams1975.pdf?dl=0Matt’s faculty page: https://spu.edu/academics/college-of-arts-sciences/philosophy/faculty-staff/benton-matthewEdited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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End Times Anxiety: Part 4 (#53) Feb 03, 2020

The final chapter of our 4-part series on the End Times and mental health concerns. Today, we hear three shorter stories that each circle around the issue of family, and how family relationships and differences intersect with the rest of what we’ve been hearing these past few weeks. If you're just joining us, it's recommended to start with Part 1, three weeks back.Children’s Bibles and reading list:Children of God Storybook Bible (Desmond Tutu): https://smile.amazon.com/Children-Storybook-Bible-Archbishop-Desmond/dp/0310719127/ref=sr_1_3?crid=214JAYK9LUTA6&keywords=children+of+god+storybook+bible&qid=1580609979&sprefix=children+of+god+sto%2Caps%2C217&sr=8-3Spark Story Bible: https://smile.amazon.com/Spark-Story-Bible-Thisted-Arthur/dp/0806670495/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=spark+story+bible&qid=1580610296&sr=8-2Jesus Showed Us (Brad Jersak): https://smile.amazon.com/Jesus-Showed-Us-Bradley-Jersak/dp/1927512069/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=jesus+showed+us&qid=1580610157&sr=8-1When God Made You: https://smile.amazon.com/When-Made-Matthew-Paul-Turner/dp/1601429185/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=matthew+paul+turner&qid=1580610101&sr=8-3When God made Light: https://smile.amazon.com/When-Made-Light-Matthew-Turner/dp/1601429207/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=matthew+paul+turner&qid=1580610101&sr=8-4Children, Can You Hear Me?: https://smile.amazon.com/Children-Can-You-Hear-Me/dp/1490405771/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=jesus+showed+us&qid=1580610157&sr=8-3Maybe God is Like That Too: https://smile.amazon.com/Maybe-God-Like-That-Too/dp/150642189X/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=maybe+god+is+like+that+too&qid=1580610225&sr=8-3It’s Not the Stork!: https://smile.amazon.com/Its-Not-Stork-Families-Friends/dp/0763633313/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=it%27s+not+the+stork&qid=1580610023&sr=8-2Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Emergency Pod: The Good Place Finale Feb 02, 2020

After being personally wrecked by the series finale of The Good Place, I needed to process this with some friends. Those friends are D.L. (Danielle) Mayfield and her husband Krispin. This is the result of that processing. Spoiler talk continues until the 23:00 mark, so head there if you don't want the ending of the series spoiled. We talk about death, the afterlife, finitude, attachment, healing, neuroplasticity, stories that are good for people who suffer and are marginalized, and much more.

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End Times Anxiety: Part 3 (#52) Jan 27, 2020

Part 3 of 4 (it is very much recommended to start with Part 1!) of a series on the so-called End Times and mental health issues. Today, we hear from 15 of the 20 interviews I conducted in August of 2019: more about mental health symptoms and seeking help, whether or not they still consider themselves Christian, advice they have for people with similar struggles, and much more. Come back for Part 4 next week.Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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End Times Anxiety: Part 2 (#51) Jan 20, 2020

Part 2 of 4 (it is very much recommended to start with Part 1!) of a series on the so-called End Times and mental health issues. Today, we hear two longer stories: Samantha, who followed a self-proclaimed prophetess in 2015 and began prepping for the apocalypse, and Steve, who hoped that Jesus’s imminent return would keep him from having to come of age as a gay man. Come back from parts 3 & 4 over the next two weeks.Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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End Times Anxiety: Part 1 (#50) Jan 13, 2020

What better way to celebrate 50 episodes of YHP than to kick off a 4-part series on so-called “End Times” teaching/theology and mental health? As part of early research toward my doctoral dissertation in psychology, I conducted 20 interviews in August of 2019, collecting personal stories about how popular Christian notions of the End Times, like the Rapture, Tribulation, and the Left Behind series, affected people’s faith, theology, life trajectories, and overall mental health. This is Part 1 of 4, and it focuses on the basics, including what most Evangelicals understood would happen in the End Times, some of the ways that fear, anxiety and depression were tied up with it for many people, the connection between the end times, Hell, and salvation, a sense of a robbed childhood, mental health predispositions, family conflicts, and more. Come back for parts 2-4 in the coming weeks.Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Do Muslims, Jews & Christians Worship the Same God? (#49) Jan 06, 2020

Plus: a working definition of “Process Theology and “Robust Christian Pluralism." Dr. Wm. Andrew Schwartz (Claremont School of Theology) walks us through four possible answers to the question of whether all monotheistic Abrahamic believers are actually worshipping the same God, including arguments for and against and various consequences of each view.- The book: https://smile.amazon.com/Christians-Muslims-Jews-Worship-Same/dp/0310538033/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=four+views+christians+muslims+same+god&qid=1578264136&sr=8-1- Andrew’s site - wmandrewschwartz.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism (Re-broadcast) Dec 30, 2019

During the holiday break, I'm choosing two lesser-downloaded or well-timed episodes for re-airing. Many of us are still, or have just been, spending time with family members who are fundamentalists, or lean that way, and that can be really hard sometimes. Original show notes:“Fundamentalist” has become a theological swear word. But how does it work psychologically? Why hasn’t it “gone away”? How do religious fundamentalists make sense of their world and find meaning in their lives? And what might this tell us about non-religious fundamentalists? Psychologist Peter Hill joins Dan to talk through the model he and his co-authors developed in their book The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism (link below). Visual Aids:Fundamentalist - Intratextual Structure: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5io539nbf6oteve/Fundamentalism%20-%20Intratextuality.jpg?dl=0Non-fundamentalist - Intertextual Structure: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u87g2auitlro9wm/Non-Fundamentalist%20-%20Intertextuality.jpg?dl=0Pete’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Religious-Fundamentalism-Ralph-Hood/dp/1593851502Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Is Everything Within God? (Re-broadcast) Dec 23, 2019

During the holiday break, I'm choosing two lesser-downloaded episodes for re-airing. This conversation with Philip Clayton about Panentheism (and a few other things) was fantastic, but I think maybe the thick theological terminology might have turned some would-be listeners away. Also, Phil is coming back on the podcast in the coming month or two to talk about doubt, and this is a nice precursor to that upcoming conversations.Original post:Our guest today is Dr. Philip Clayton (Claremont School of Theology), giving us his personal faith story from a secular household, through conservative Evangelicalism, and ultimately into Quakerism. We also talk about Panentheism, for which he is a major Christian advocate. Most of the nerdy stuff occurs after the ad break, starting around 54:00, so feel free to skip that stuff if you are less into the true nerdery."how i found GOD in everyone and everywhere" (great essay collection including Phil's story): https://smile.amazon.com/How-Found-God-Everyone-Everywhere/dp/193968188X/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=how+i+found+god+in+everywhere&qid=1552328138&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnullhttp://philipclayton.net/Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Cave: A Gift That Keeps On Giving (#48) Dec 16, 2019

Dan discusses the all-time most famous passage in western philosophy, Plato’s Cave Analogy, with Catholic philosopher Patrick McDonald (Seattle Pacific University). The Cave is a gift that keeps on giving (holiday-appropriate!), through various stages of growth, deconstruction, reconstruction, and on and on. Dan and Patrick discuss implications for Christians thinking through hard questions, and a lot more.Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Who’s Afraid of Evolutionary Psychology? (#47) Dec 09, 2019

As it turns out, both conservatives AND liberals, depending who you talk to. But is it a valid field of research, and what do we learn about human nature from evolutionary psychology? Dan also talks with Dr. Justin Barrett (Fuller Seminary) about so-called “cultural evolution,” where the evolution of humanity moves at a much more rapid pace, and through the dissemination of information, values, stories, etc, rather than through genetic mutation and selection. And of course, they discuss what implications all of this might have for theology and Christian practice.Fuller Seminary’s Theology & Psychology Initiative: theopsych.comEdited by Laura Kondourajian Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Looking for God in the Future, Not the Past (#46) Nov 25, 2019

Dan is joined by philosopher John Haught (Georgetown University), who argues that many people think we should look to the past, the deep past, for ultimate answers. This includes certain scientists who want to look to the Big Bang for ultimate explanations, or religious teachers focusing on God’s perfect design in the Garden of Eden, before everything got messed up. Others might tend to look to the so-called Eternal Present for God, or for ultimate meaning and answers. Through prayer, we may feel like we can tap directly into a timeless God, letting go of our worldly concerns, and, of course, there is some truth to this. Many philosophers have also preached something similar, that true contemplation of the One, or of capital “T” Truth, can take us out of our mortal, perishing bodies into the realm of the sublime. But Haught wants to point our attention to a third option: the future. What if the truest meaning of the grand story that we are living in right now, which includes a big bang, billions of years of lifeless space, followed by the forming of carbon, then of unicellular life, and biological progression all the way to sentient and self-conscious beings like humans -- what if the meaning of THAT story is not clear to us yet because that story is not over yet? Perhaps we do have some guideposts given to us by God along the way, but rather than looking back, we should be looking AHEAD.Tag Dan and a podcast host who you think should have Dan on as a guest:Dan’s Twitter: @DanKochDan’s FB: https://www.facebook.com/dan.koch.16youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comThe John Haught Reader: https://www.amazon.com/John-Haught-Reader-Essential-Writings/dp/1532661029The New Cosmic Story: https://www.amazon.com/New-Cosmic-Story-Awakening-Universe/dp/030021703X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=john+haught&qid=1574117845&s=books&sr=1-1Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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"Toxic Christianity" & Its Damaging Claims (#45) Nov 18, 2019

“Human beings are primarily intrinsically sinful and evil.”“God’s truth can only be found in the Biblical text.”“The body and its desires are inherently wicked.”“Emotions are not to be honored and listened to; only God’s truth should be valued.”Mark Karris (author, therapist, professor at Point Loma Nazarene University) lists these among a group of claims that he believes are a part of “Toxic Christianity.” Mark and Dan talk through a number of these (false) claims, ask why it is that they get in the way of our relationship to God and our neighbors, and consider alternate options.Mark’s Original Post - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10162264853155694&set=pb.740175693.-2207520000.1571761815.&type=3&theaterMark’s website: http://markgregorykarris.com/Mark’s Amazon author page: https://smile.amazon.com/Mark-Gregory-Karris/e/B01MZZLNV5?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1573700786&sr=8-1Deconversion Article Mark mentioned: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2v12uksryiwvscz/Breaking%20up%20with%20Jesus-%20a%20phenomenological%20exploration%20of%20the%20experience%20of%20deconversion%20from%20an%20Evangelical%20Christian%20faith%20to%20Atheism.pdf?dl=0Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Christian Naturalism / Physicalism (#44) Nov 11, 2019

Can Christians believe that people are only “physical”? Must we have “souls” in order to be saved, to have relationships with God, to be God’s image-bearers in the world? My two guests today are biologist Kenneth R. Miller (Brown University) and philosopher Rebekah Rice (Seattle Pacific University), and they argue that there are good reasons to accept some kind of Christian Naturalism or Christian Physicalism, and that in fact one can do so and remain within the orthodx Christian tradition.The Human Instinct: https://smile.amazon.com/Human-Instinct-Evolved-Reason-Consciousness/dp/1476790264/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=kenneth+miller&qid=1573441718&sr=8-2Finding Darwin’s God: https://smile.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-God-Scientists-Evolution/dp/0061233501/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=kenneth+miller&qid=1573441718&sr=8-1Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Argument for Universal Salvation (#43) Nov 04, 2019

This is the episode that some of you have been waiting 40-some episodes for. Many of you know that I identify as a universalist, meaning that I believe that everyone will be saved in the end, whatever we mean by the word “saved.” There are a lot of reasons that people believe in Hell, and there are a lot of reasons that people don’t. Many of those reasons, maybe even MOST of the reasons, I would argue have nothing to do with actual arguments or theological reasoning, or even a close reading of the Biblical text. Most reasons, I think, are psychological. Why people ACTUALLY believe in Hell, at a more psychological level, is a very interesting question, but not one that we are spending much time on today. This episode is about the arguments themselves. The most central question is: Does Hell make sense, given the God of Christianity? The next one is - how do we make sense of various sayings of Jesus that seem to teach a painful judgement? My guest today is Brad Jersak. Brad is a Canadian theologian, author, and pastor, and his book “Her Gates Will Never Be Shut” is widely considered one of the best treatments of this question. Our first 15 min or so are spent getting our bearings with the current landscape on this topic, including some term explaining, and introducing David Bentley Hart’s new book as a centerpiece of both our conversation, and the wider theological conversation. If you want to go straight to the arguments themselves, you could skip ahead to about 18:00.Hellbound? -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00D1NE8L0/ref=atv_dl_rdrThe Evangelical Universalist: https://www.amazon.com/Evangelical-Universalist-Second-Gregory-MacDonald/dp/1620322390/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=evangelical+universalist&qid=1572843722&sr=8-1Her Gates Shall Never Be Shut: https://www.amazon.com/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_atf_aps_sr_pg1_1?ie=UTF8&adId=A09982251H1HAKCB4QUV8&url=%2FHer-Gates-Will-Never-Shut-ebook%2Fdp%2FB00IGGZRJY%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1_sspa%3Fkeywords%3Dbrad%2Bjersak%26qid%3D1572843756%26sr%3D8-1-spons%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1572843755&id=5413906602847107&widgetName=sp_atfIn: https://www.amazon.com/Incarnation-Inclusion-Abba-Lamb/dp/1082461733/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=brad+jersak&qid=1572843756&sr=8-2A More Christlike God: https://www.amazon.com/More-Christlike-God-Beautiful-Gospel/dp/1889973165/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=brad+jersak&qid=1572843756&sr=8-3Athanasius, On the Incarnation: http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/theology/incarnation_st_athanasius.pdfRazing Hell: https://smile.amazon.com/Razing-Hell-Rethinking-Everything-Judgment/dp/0664236545/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sharon+baker+hell&qid=1572843854&sr=8-1Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Is the “Supernatural” Actually Just Natural? (#42) Oct 28, 2019

Just in time for Halloween (not on purpose actually!)... What exactly is the "supernatural"? When God does something in the natural world, is that the same thing as saying that God broke the laws of physics? Theologian Thomas Jay oord helps Dan explore these questions, and whether or not it makes more sense to think of the “natural” and “supernatural” as essentially no different from one another. Or in Tom’s words, “For every event that happens in the world, there are both divine and creaturely causes.” They consider some possible ramifications of this move, including the resurrection of Jesus, miracles, the inspiration of Scripture, the life to come, and more.Tom’s website, including links to his books: http://thomasjayoord.com/Citizens - “Fear” (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/album/0abL7FZysjxpaxEPURpBsl Edited by Laura Kondourajian Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Cognitive Science & Religious Belief (For Beginners) (#41) Oct 21, 2019

Philosopher Myron Penner (Trinity Western University) helps Dan think through some interesting but complicated and challenging findings from cognitive science (the study of the mind, not the study of the brain -- that's called neuroscience) and what they mean for our understanding of religions beliefs, behaviors and experiences. By explaining religious belief from a cognitive perspective, how does cognitive science of religion not *explain away* religion altogether? Does cognitive science of religion present evidence for God, for atheism, or neither?- “When God Talks Back” - https://smile.amazon.com/When-God-Talks-Back-Understanding/dp/0307277275/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia?keywords=when+god+talks+back&pd_rd_i=0307277275&pd_rd_r=eda4ec56-9673-42b7-bdb8-d6faeaa93daa&pd_rd_w=jfc0X&pd_rd_wg=PM7eF&pf_rd_p=a5491838-6a74-484e-8787-eb44c8f3b7ff&pf_rd_r=GA0N6HXQHCG8MZNJ3RE6&psc=1&qid=1571604451- Citizens - “Fear” (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/album/0abL7FZysjxpaxEPURpBsl - theopsych.com - Fuller Seminary initiativeEdited by Laura Kondourajian Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Faith Changes & Marriage, Family, Kids, Divorce and Dating (#40) Oct 14, 2019

How do we parent our kids after faith deconstruction? What if only one half of a couple is going through faith changes? Can people of different faith traditions have healthy marriages? How do I relate to my family, who haven’t had the same faith changes that I have, and who now think I’m going to Hell? Is this what “unequally yoked” is actually supposed to mean? This is a long, meaty episode, where we get into as many questions like these as possible (asked almost entirely by listeners of the show) with Dr. Doug Shirley, a psychotherapist who teaches at the Seattle School of Theology & Psychology and specializes in questions like these in his own private practice.dougshirleyresearch.comHoly Longing: https://smile.amazon.com/Holy-Longing-Search-Christian-Spirituality-ebook/dp/B004DEPESM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=holy+longing&qid=1570899882&sr=8-1Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work: https://smile.amazon.com/Seven-Principles-Making-Marriage-Work/dp/0553447718/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9XGS9DL4PJFO&keywords=seven+principles+for+making+marriage+work&qid=1570899898&sprefix=seven+principles%2Caps%2C197&sr=8-1Finite and Infinite Games: https://smile.amazon.com/Finite-Infinite-Games-James-Carse/dp/1476731713/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1N9D2WRINZTQJ&keywords=finite+and+infinite+games+by+james+carse&qid=1570899926&sprefix=finite+and%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-1The Sin of Certainty: https://smile.amazon.com/Sin-Certainty-Desires-Correct-Beliefs/dp/0062272098/ref=sr_1_1?crid=SZU6J7FT9FDZ&keywords=sin+of+certainty&qid=1570899914&sprefix=sin+of+cer%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-1Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Psychedelics & Other "Spiritual Technologies" (#39) Oct 07, 2019

Why is everyone suddenly talking about psychedelic drugs again? What do we know about them, and what is their relationship to more “ordinary” religious experiences? Is taking a psychedelic as part of a worship service any different than dimming the lights and swaying together to worship music? What can we learn about human brains and religious experience in general from the research on psychedelics? Today we hear from theologian Sarah Lane Ritchie, who both works on these questions from a theological perspective and also has been a participant in a controlled psilocybin trial in the UK. And yes, she tells us about her trip! Later in our chat, she shares her personal struggles with experiencing God as “personal” in the way that so many of her friends and colleagues are able to do (myself included). This was an incredible conversation.Sarah is Lecturer in Theology and Science at the University of Edinburgh. She has a PhD in Science and Religion from the University of Edinburgh, where her doctoral work focused on the question of divine action in the human mind. A Michigander by birth, Sarah also holds a BA in Philosophy and Religion from Spring Arbor University, an MDiv from Princeton Theological Seminary, and an MSc in Science and Religion from the University of Edinburgh. Her published work focuses on questions arising from the intersection of theology, philosophy, and the various brain-related sciences. Sarah’s Book: https://smile.amazon.com/Divine-Action-Current-Issues-Theology/dp/1108476511/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=sarah+lane+ritchie&qid=1570383111&sr=8-2Sarah has a chapter in this much cheaper collection as well: https://smile.amazon.com/Philosophy-Science-Religion-Everyone-Pritchard/dp/1138234214/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sarah+lane+ritchie&qid=1570383111&sr=8-1Edited by Laura Kondourajian Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Trust Your Experience (Dustin Kensrue) (#38) Sep 30, 2019

Is experience potentially a direct pathway to the God of the universe? Or is it simply “the heart [being] deceitful above all things”? Can we trust our spiritual experience, and if so, which experiences are trustworthy? This topic was recommended by my guest Dustin Kensrue (singer/songwriter of the band Thrice, former worship director at Mars Hill Church in Seattle), and I jumped at it. In today’s episode, we go through Dustin’s own story, from young Christian punk rocker, to prominent Neo-Calvinist, to church scandal whistleblower (sort of), to reconstructed liberal Christian, all the while considering the role of experience in that journey.Check out Dustin's new podcast Carry the Fire wherever you get your podcasts.Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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What Comes After Purity Culture? (#37) Sep 23, 2019

What exactly is “purity culture,” and why is everyone talking about it? Was it really so harmful? Isn’t it pretty straightforward to not have sex until marriage? Today’s guest Linda Key Klein has interviewed hundreds of young women about their experiences in and after purity culture, and she has written a fantastic book about it, “Pure: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Shamed a Generation of Young Women and How I Broke Free.” But also, what comes AFTER purity culture? Simply an “anything goes” sexual ethic, or something more robust and still identifiably "Christian"? Pure: https://smile.amazon.com/Pure-Inside-Evangelical-Movement-Generation/dp/1501124811/ref=sr_1_1?crid=369666CXFZDKC&keywords=pure+linda+kay+klein&qid=1569189472&s=gateway&sprefix=pure+linda%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-1Linda’s personal site: https://lindakayklein.com/Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Evolution Myths & Long Lifespans in Genesis (#36) Sep 16, 2019

Darwin’s theory of evolution by common descent is so widely agreed upon by scientists that it is either the best explanation we have for the origins of life on this planet, or else it is a massive conspiracy involving millions of people. It is also, according to some Christians, a dangerous theory that undercuts basic claims of Christianity. Sometimes these Christians, working through organizations that promote Young Earth Creationism or Intelligent Design, spread misconceptions about Darwin’s theory, either mistakenly or on purpose. Jim Stump, philosopher and Vice President of Biologos, counters these misconceptions with data and scientific explanations. After putting these myths to bed, Jim and Dan move on to the perplexing fact that the book of Genesis seems quite cavalierly to suggest that many people lived between 600 and 900 years of age -- what is this about, and what are some possible ways of reading or thinking about it?Later, Jim helps Dan answer a listener question: “How do you understand the Bible as pre-scientific? For example, stories like David and Bathsheba, where the child is born and ‘struck by God’ rather than the child simply fell ill.” (1:13:30)DNA article: https://biologos.org/common-questions/can-evolution-generate-new-information“10 Myths about Evolution” article: https://biologos.org/articles/10-misconceptions-about-evolutionThe Biologos podcast Language of God - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/language-of-god/id1451956029Jim’s author page at biologos.org - https://biologos.org/people/jim-stumpEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Trump, Evangelicals & Faith in Politics (#35) Sep 09, 2019

Today’s guest is Peter Wehner -- Vice President and Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, contributing opinion writer for the New York Times, and a contributing editor for The Atlantic magazine. He served in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations prior to becoming deputy director of speechwriting for President George W. Bush, and is one of the more prominent “NeverTrump Conservatives.” Peter has recently given up his membership in the GOP over their increasing identification with Trump. He and Dan talk about Trump and Evangelicals’ very public romance, and what that might say about the efficacy of Evangelical Christian faith. Peter also makes his case for a politically engaged Christianity, over and against a more Anabaptist-style detachment or principled uninvolvement/pacifism.Later, Dan answers six listener questions, all centering around questions of faith and politics (1:20:00)Pete’s book: https://smile.amazon.com/Death-Politics-Frayed-Republic-After/dp/0062820796/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=peter+wehner&qid=1567988321&s=gateway&sr=8-1His conversation with Jon Ward on the Long Game podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/peter-wehner-on-trump-impeachment-limits-faith-to-overcome/id1248994688?i=1000441130129Alan Jacobs “How to Think”: https://smile.amazon.com/How-Think-Survival-Guide-World/dp/0451499603/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=how+to+think&qid=1567988343&s=gateway&sr=8-2Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism (#34) Sep 03, 2019

“Fundamentalist” has become a theological swear word. But how does it work psychologically? Why hasn’t it “gone away”? How do religious fundamentalists make sense of their world and find meaning in their lives? And what might this tell us about non-religious fundamentalists? Psychologist Peter Hill joins Dan to talk through the model he and his co-authors developed in their book The Psychology of Religious Fundamentalism (link below). Visual Aids:Fundamentalist - Intratexual Structure: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5io539nbf6oteve/Fundamentalism%20-%20Intratextuality.jpg?dl=0Nonfundamenatlist - Intertectual Structure: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u87g2auitlro9wm/Non-Fundamentalist%20-%20Intertextuality.jpg?dl=0Pete’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Religious-Fundamentalism-Ralph-Hood/dp/1593851502Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Deny a Historical Adam & Eve (#33) Aug 26, 2019

The question of whether or not Adam and Eve were historical figures is a hotly debated topic in some circles of Christianity -- especially more Reformed and/or conservative circles -- and completely ignored in others. But there are a lot of consequences to this question, no matter where you fall theologically. Physicist and Science & Religion veteran Karl Giberson joins Dan to talk through the issue, and what he learned while working on his book “Saving the Original Sinner.”Karl’s book: https://smile.amazon.com/Saving-Original-Sinner-Christians-Oppress/dp/0807012513/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=saving+the+original+sinner&qid=1566844147&s=gateway&sr=8-1BARNA research mentioned: https://biologos.org/articles/a-survey-of-clergy-and-their-views-on-originsEdited by Joe Diaz-RomeroJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Give Reformed Theology a Fair Hearing (#32) Aug 19, 2019

A lot of us have been pretty burned in Reformed Christian communities, which might go by names like Presbyterian, Bible Church, Baptist, and more, all of which stem in one way or another from the teachings of John Calvin. But not all Reformed thinkers read John Piper and R.C. Sproul, or believe that women shouldn’t become preachers, and SOME Reformed thinkers are even Universalists when it comes to salvation! Dan is joined by a very clear thinker who thinks that the Reformed tent needs to be widened: analytic theologian (and Reformed guy himself) Oliver Crisp (University of St. Andrews, Scotland). So let’s give Reformed theology a fair hearing, shall we?Today’s interview was made possible as part of the TheoPsych Project, hosted by Fuller Seminary’s office of Science, Theology, and Religion: Theopsych.comOlivers two books (Saving Calvinism and Deviant Calvinism): https://smile.amazon.com/Saving-Calvinism-Expanding-Reformed-Tradition/dp/0830851755/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=oliver+crisp&qid=1566088780&s=gateway&sr=8-2https://smile.amazon.com/Deviant-Calvinism-Broadening-Reformed-Theology/dp/1451486138/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=oliver+crisp&qid=1566088780&s=gateway&sr=8-10Edited by Laura KondourajianJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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What Counts as Prayer? (#31) Aug 05, 2019

Can silent meditation be prayer? Is prayer always in some sense bodily and physical, or is it only a spiritual thing? When did prayer first enter the story of humanity — millions of years ago, or only after verbal language? Did Neanderthals pray? Is it worth looking into the prayer practices of other religions, and if we do, what might we learn? These questions and more are explored with Dr. Carol Zaleski (Smith College), co-author of the incredible book “Prayer: A History.” Later, Dan answers a listener question: “What are the mental tricks or ways that you seek to understand or empathize with someone’s viewpoint you disagree with?” (1:32:00)Dan’s 4 mental tricks:Trick 1 -- system 1 or 2 belief? If 1, let it go, and just be kind; show them that people with your opposite belief can be loving; and remind yourself that they will probably only change their mind if they change their tribe. In this case, it’s better to ask general life questions than to drill down on the specific area of disagreement or original interest.Trick 2 -- if system 2, start asking more specific questions, learn their story as it relates to the issue.Trick 3 -- remind yourself that you are also a member of various tribes, so you can let your guard down as you listen to them.Trick 4 -- look for nuance; if you are finding it, you're on the right track; if there is none, you are probably stuck in mostly pointless tribal warfare.Carol’s book "Prayer: A History": William James, “The Varieties of Religious Experience”: Father Giles, “Prayer is the greatest freedom of all” (BBC): https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/prayer-is-the-greatest-freedom-of-all/p07b8dq5?playlist=what-is-freedomCS Lewis, “Transposition" sermon: https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lewiscs-transposition/lewiscs-transposition-00-h.html#ch01transpositionScott Davison, “Petitionary Prayer: A Philosophical Investigation”: https://www.amazon.com/Petitionary-Prayer-Philosophical-Scott-Davison/dp/0198757743Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Question the Canaanite Conquest & Divine Violence (#30) Jul 22, 2019

Did God really command the complete slaughter of everyone living in the Promised Land (men, women and children)? Would a loving God ever allow Israelite soldiers to take on additional wives as war widows (if they found them attractive and if they proved themselves to be sexually pleasing)? For 2,000 years, Christian thinkers and Biblical scholars have wrestled with difficult Old Testament passages that seem to show a violent and unloving God, one that seems to contrast sharply with other descriptions of God in the OT. Dr. Eric Seibert joins Dan to talk through this landscape of passages and problems, and to explain 14 distinct approaches that Christians have taken in dealing with them. Later, Dan answers a listener question: “What do you think of the whole #emptythepews movement?” (1:42:00)Eric’s book (The Violence of Scripture): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800698258/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i1Nuclear Taboo article: https://news.stanford.edu/2017/08/08/americans-weigh-nuclear-war/Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Be Egalitarian / Ordain Women (#29) Jul 08, 2019

One of the most divisive questions in the modern church is whether or not biological sex plays a role in who should be allowed to preach (and there are other issues wrapped up in this one, like whether women should be primary bread-winners, etc). Egalitarians say, “No, let the women preach!” Complementarians say, “Yes, men only; that is how God set things up.” In this episode, we hear from Dan’s Godmother Barb Clark, who is an elder in an Egalitarian church, but has some nagging concerns about the whole thing. Then the bulk of the episode is spent with Rev. Bonnie Lewis, a pastor, teacher and Bible translator, who not only makes her argument for Egalitarianism, but also responds to many of the most common counter arguments from the Contemplentarian side. Finally, we get Barb’s reaction to Dan’s chat with Bonnie. This one is a doozy!BadChristian Podcast Dan/Bonnie episode (#438): http://www.badchristian.com/bc_podcast/bonnie-lewis-at-the-bcxcon/Bonnie’s “Timshel” translation: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1945582321/timshel-an-idiomatic-bible-translationEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Trust Science (#28) Jul 01, 2019

Why is there a (perceived) conflict between science and religion, and has it always been that way? How does science actually get done, and is the scientific method and community set up in such a way as to come up with trustworthy claims? Are young Christians being set up to fail by well-meaning teachers who are skeptical of “mainstream” science? Dan is joined by Adrian Wyard of Counterblance.org to talk through all of this; before that, he hears from his friend Andy, an Evangelical pastor, about what he is and isn’t suspicious of in the world of science.Counterbalance.orgBiologos.orgEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Embrace Uncertainty (#27) Jun 24, 2019

Is it possible to be certain about anything in one’s Christian faith? Is it possible to be certain about anything at all, like math, science, or the love of a spouse? Why does it often seem moreseo like preachers and Christian authors are peddling certainty than they are encouraging genuine faith? (The same could also be said for the “New Atheists.”) What does genuine faith look like in a world full of baked-in uncertainty? Dan’s guest Mark Schaefer, author of “The Certainty of Uncertainty,” provides some excellent commentary on this society-wide issue.https://www.certaintyofuncertainty.com/Edited by Laura KondourajianJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Acknowledge Your Feelings Around Race (#26) Jun 17, 2019

Dan is joined for a long afternoon of somewhat experimental podcasting by Christopher Carter and Seth Schoen, who together have developed a very interesting group/individual practice (and they teach a class together about it), using meditative practices and psychology to talk about, think through, and FEEL their way through racial issues, questions, and personal histories. It is, in fact, as interesting and unique as it sounds! In the middle of the conversation, Dan offers to go through a short "session" with them, which produces some interesting results as well. We all have feelings about racial issues, whether we attend to them or not. Later on, the three of them have a somewhat difficult, honest, and ultimately clarifying conversation about critical race theory, and some concerns surrounding the way that race is talked about in American society.P.U.L.S.E.:Paying AttentionUnderstanding EmpathicallyLoving With ConnectionSensing the SacredEmbodying New LifeF.L.A.G.:FearsLongingsAching WoundsGifts StifledFrank Rogers - Practicing Compassion: https://www.amazon.com/Practicing-Compassion-Frank-Rogers-Jr/dp/1935205250Christopher’s faculty page: https://www.sandiego.edu/cas/theology/faculty-and-staff/biography.php?profile_id=840Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Stay In Your Church/Denomination (#25) Jun 10, 2019

While of course there are times when it makes sense to leave one’s religious institution, today Dan and sociologist of religion Dr. Tricia Bruce make the case for staying. What is lost when people leave their churches or denominations? When they leave the church altogether? How much do they unintentionally reduce their potential impact? How have a group of concerned Catholics worked from within the Church to combat sexual abuse? Later, Dan answers a listener question: “In your opinion, what are the requirements for being considered a Christian?” (1:20:00)https://triciabruce.com/“Orthodoxy” patron-only episode with Ben Bishop: https://www.patreon.com/posts/21074279Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Go To Therapy (#24) Jun 03, 2019

Should Christians go to "regular" therapists, or is "Biblical Counseling" the only option available to a Christian? Do therapists encourage Christian couples to divorce unnecessarily? Is it shameful to see a therapist? This week, we hear from Howard, a therapy skeptic, and then from Jonathan, whose positive experience with therapy led him ultimately to a master's program to become a psychologist himself.YHP Racial Blindspot Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/to-acknowledge-evangelicalisms-racial-blindspot-14/id1448000113?i=1000433295257Edited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Be a Postmodern Christian (#23) May 27, 2019

...and still love the Bible! Thomas Jay Oord joins Dan to discuss the issue of postmodernism and the Bible (through the lens of a fantastic article by Old Testament scholar Terence Fretheim, which Tom himself edited). How does a postmodern Christian's reading of the Bible differ from a modernist approach? What is modernism and postmodernism? Don't worry -- no ivory tower language here; everything is in regular laymen's terms, and Tom is one of the best at translating these complicated but important issues into regular speech.Later, Dan answers a patron/listener question: Did you receive flack from your evangelical friends and church family when you became decidedly gay affirming? What were the range of responses like? (1:42:00)Terence Fretheim article: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nwxu3pkplg30so/Fretheim%20for%20Open%20and%20Relational%20Reading%20Group.doc?dl=0*AUDIO VERSION* of Fretheim article: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqmprg69vdxd29z/Chapter%209%20-%20Terence%20Fretheim.mp3?dl=0http://thomasjayoord.com/http://openandrelationaltheology.com -- reading groupThe Myth of Certainty by Daniel Taylor: https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Certainty-Reflective-Christian-Commitment/dp/0830822372Benefit of the Doubt by Greg Boyd: https://www.amazon.com/Benefit-Doubt-Breaking-Idol-Certainty/dp/0801014921/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=benefit+of+the+doubt&qid=1558999348&s=books&sr=1-1Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Critique Purity Culture (#22) May 20, 2019

Seattle's own Dr. Tina Shermer Sellers (psychologist and sex therapist) joins Dan for a fascinating conversation about what is known as Purity Culture, that near-ubiquitous set of sexual-moral claims and practices that ruled the Evangelical zeitgeist in the 80s, 90s and 00s, and is still today probably the default sexual understanding of most American Protestants. But is that understanding Biblical? Does it accord well with what we are learning through science? Why did it come to such prominence? Does having premarital sex really take away "a piece of you" every time you do it, and what's with the double standards for boys and girls? We get into it all, including a bunch of interesting listener questions.Later, Dan answers a patron question: "What is the Gospel, and how do you evangelize?" (1:30:00)SEXUAL SHAME is a visceral feeling of humiliation and disgust toward one's own body and identity as a sexual being and a belief of being abnormal inferior and unworthy. This feeling can be internalized but also manifests in interpersonal relationships having a negative impact on trust communication and physical and emotional intimacy sexual shame develops across the lifespan in interactions with interpersonal relationships one's culture and society and subsequent critical self appraisal. there is also a fear and uncertainty related to one's power or right to make decisions including safety decisions related to sexual encounters along with an internalized judgment toward one's own sexual desire.Vow of Onah: http://tinaschermersellers.com/2011/02/12/the-vow-of-onah-and-other-jewish-attitudes-about-sex/Bible For Normal People purity culture episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-82-linda-kay-klein-breaking-free-from-purity/id1215420422?i=1000434395466Sex, Mom and God: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/sex-mom-and-god-how-the-bibles-strange-take-on-sex-led-to-crazy-politics--and-how-i-learned-to-love-women-and-jesus-anyway_frank-schaeffer/369821/#isbn=0306819287&idiq=4395577Girls & Sex: Navigating the Complicated New Landscape: https://www.amazon.com/Girls-Sex-Navigating-Complicated-Landscape/dp/006220974480% of abstinence-only curricula contain serious erroneous information: https://rockthrower.blogs.com/rockthrower/files/20041201102153-50247.pdfhttp://tinaschermersellers.com/Thankgodforsex.orgNwioi.com - Northwest Institute on IntimacyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/drtinashamelesssex/Twitter: @tinassellersEdited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Consider Inerrancy, Infallibility & Inspiration (#21) May 13, 2019

Dan is re-joined by Bonnie Kristian (author of "A Flexible Faith") to talk through the various ways that Christians think about Biblical inspiration (and just what kind of "errors" might be in there). As you know from episode 6, Bonnie is a great guest, and has really done her research on these topics! Also, Dan corrects something from last week regarding his "Protestant Rosary" segment, shares some thoughts about the theological consequences of how we process the sudden passing of Christian author and thinker Rachel Held Evans, and he answers a listener question: "How do you navigate conversations with conservative friends/family as you deconstruct?"Corrections / Rachel Held Evans: 2:00Inerrancy, Infallibility, Inspiration: 10:00Listener Question: 1:19:00Bonnie's Discussion Questions:- Which view of scripture is most familiar to you? Which one did your Sunday school teachers tell you?- Which perspective do you find most appealing and why? Most convincing?- Is the view you find more convincing the same as the one you find appealing? Why/why not?- How authoritative is the Bible in your life and faith? How does it interact with church tradition, reason, and personal experience?- What is at stake in how you understand the inspiration of Scripture, and should your view influence your reading and studying of the Bible?"A Flexible Faith": https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Faith-Rethinking-Means-Follow/dp/1478992093/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548661564&sr=8-1&keywords=a+flexible+faithEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Join the Patreon for bonus episodes (and more) every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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Why "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" Is Psychologically Impossible (#20) May 06, 2019

Richard Beck is a psychologist, professor, speaker and author of many books, right in what I consider to be the sweet spot: the overlap of psychology and Christian faith/theology. This is more or less where I am headed professionally, and it’s encouraging to have had a conversation like this one, so chock full of interesting, challenging, and inspiring stuff. We talk a good bit about disgust, which is a big factor in the impossibility of “love the sinner hate the sin,” but we also talk about spiritual practices and habits, Jesus and the Pharisees, and even placing cockroaches in orange juice. Later, I introduce a simple prayer practice I call The Protestant Rosary (1:26:00).Richard’s blog/site: http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/Directions for praying the "Protestant Rosary":1. Get a rosary2. Start where the three strands meet, near the cross, and pray one Jesus Prayer for each of the 10 beads before the spacer bead3. For the spacer bead, pray the Lord's Prayer4. Repeat until one "lap" of the rosary is finished. Repeat if you so desire.Variation #1:For each of the 10 standard beads, pray for a person in your life, i.e. "Have mercy on Derek," and imagine God's mercy enveloping Derek.Variation #2:Like Variation #1, but use multiple beads for the same person, each time saying the same prayer, "Have mercy on Derek," but with each bead, focusing on a different aspect of Derek's life, like his work life, his faith, his relationship with a loved one, his health, etc.How to End:Madame Guyon recommends taking a moment to "swallow" or accept whatever God has given during the prayer time, even if this time nothing appears to have been given; be grateful for the silence and peace.The Jesus Prayer:"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me/us (a sinner)."Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Cut Your “Technological Umbilical Cord” (#19) Apr 29, 2019

Many of us know the psychological costs of our addiction to all our electronic devices (do we really?), but have we considered the spiritual costs (and are those actually distinct)? Do we really understand what's going on neurologically, as we continue to log hours per day on our smartphones? Dr. Tricia Rhodes chats with Dan about what exactly is being lost, what we might regain, and how the human brain is able to re-wire itself -- thank God!Later, Dan answers a listener question: "You often mention that you were more afraid to be a liberal Christian than a non-believer when you were younger. What's the main belief you feared would change and has it changed? Is there anything that changed as you became more progressive that went back to, or is now trending toward, a more traditional position over time?”** Edit: In the Introduction Dan says Tricia‘s books are released by Zondervan. It is actually NavPress -- an even more conservative publisher!Tricia’s site/blog: https://www.soulatrest.com/Tricia’s book “The Wired Soul”: https://smile.amazon.com/Wired-Soul-Finding-Spiritual-Hyperconnected/dp/1631465120/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=tricia+rhodes&qid=1552191189&s=gateway&sr=8-6Tricia’s book “The Soul at Rest: 25th Anniversary Edition”: https://smile.amazon.com/Soul-Rest-40-Day-Journey-Prayer/dp/163146860X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tricia+rhodes&qid=1552191189&s=gateway&sr=8-1Madame Guyon’s autobiography is actually FREE for Kindle users: https://smile.amazon.com/Autobiography-Madame-Jeanne-Bouvier-1648-1717-ebook/dp/B0082PM382/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=madame+guyon&qid=1551923653&s=gateway&sr=8-9Fenelon’s book (includes “Christian Perfection”): https://smile.amazon.com/Complete-Fenelon-Paraclete-Giants/dp/1557256071/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2MYKLUR2JD68H&keywords=christian+perfection+fenelon&qid=1551923842&s=gateway&sprefix=christian+perfection+fe%2Caps%2C205&sr=8-2Edited by Joe Diaz-RomeroJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Seek Christ through Buddhist Meditation (#18) Apr 22, 2019

Mark Vernon is a psychotherapist and author/speaker with degrees in physics and theology. He speaks with Dan about his regular practice of seeking the Christian God through "Buddhism Light" meditation services in London, where he lives. Dan and Mark also discuss how Christians might relate to other faiths in general, and the danger of leaving one's own tradition for greener pastures, which is not what Mark sees himself as doing.Mark’s book “A Secret History of Christianity” http://www.markvernon.com/books/a-secret-history-of-christianity rethinkinghell.com/Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Embrace the Four Divergent Jesuses of the Gospels (#17) Apr 15, 2019

Dan is joined by NT scholar Dale B. Martin to consider what it means that the four Gospels present four at-least-somewhat divergent accounts of both Jesus's life and his character. Dale argues that there is both much to be learned and much to be experienced devotionally by taking each Gospel separately, and not "deciding beforehand" that they must be harmonized. Dan's friend Kenny shares his concerns regarding the Gospel of John, and Dale responds to those questions. At the end of the episode, in a brand new segment, Dan answers a patron-submitted question about he and his wife's current church transition, after leaving their church of 10 years.Timeline:Dale Pt: 1: 4:15Kenny Pt 1: 36:00Dale Pt 2: 52:00Kenny Pt 2: 1:24:00Q&A: 1:31:00Depolarize Episode with Dale (web): http://depolarize.blubrry.net/2018/10/01/while-you-were-evangelizing-hell-with-dale-b-martin/Depolarize Episode with Dale (iTunes): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/while-you-were-evangelizing-hell-with-dale-b-martin/id1163609659?i=1000420855971Jean Vanier, “Drawn into the Mystery of Jesus through the Gospel of John”: https://smile.amazon.com/Drawn-Mystery-Jesus-through-Gospel-ebook/dp/B00I08WWA0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=jean+vanier+drawn&qid=1554673416&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnullDale’s fantastic book “Biblical Truths”: https://smile.amazon.com/Biblical-Truths-Meaning-Scripture-Twenty-first/dp/0300222831/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=biblical+truths&qid=1554673453&s=gateway&sr=8-1Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Escape "Culture War Christianity" (#16) Apr 08, 2019

There is a kind of “religious humidity” in some parts of our country, such that the dominant form of Evangelicalism puts a kind of constant and uniform pressure on anyone who lives there. This affects what happens to people who leave their religious communities, either altogether or who leave to join different communities. Dr. Terry Shoemaker has done some very interesting research with some of these people, especially those who were in some way traumatized by either their original community, or through the process of leaving. Some of them, he says, were “weaponized into a Culture War Christianity.” Wars require weapons, and sometimes those weapons end up being our own children.“Pray the Gay Away: The Extraordinary Lives of Bible Belt Gays” - https://smile.amazon.com/Pray-Gay-Away-Extraordinary-Lives/dp/0814786383/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pray+the+gay+away&qid=1552928029&s=books&sr=1-2“The Sacred Canopy”: https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Canopy-Elements-Sociological-Religion/dp/0385073054“America’s New Religions”: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-americas-new-religions.htmlDr. Tina Sellers: http://tinaschermersellers.com/Allender Center Podcast Episode on Spiritual Trauma: https://theallendercenter.org/2018/03/spiritual-abuse-1/Shelly Rambo: https://www.bu.edu/sth/profile/shelly-rambo/Terry’s email: Terry.Shoemaker@asu.edu Edited by Scott CangemiJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/Keywords: spiritual abuse, Bible Belt, culture war, weapon, spiritual trauma, science, creationism, theology, spiritual but not religious, progressive, liberal, conservative

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To Believe in a God Who Suffers (#15) Apr 01, 2019

Bethany’s book “God, Evolution and Animal Suffering”: https://www.routledge.com/God-Evolution-and-Animal-Suffering-Theodicy-without-a-Fall-1st-Edition/Sollereder/p/book/9781138608474 Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comEdited by Josh Gilbert (Gwall.Gilbert11@gmail.com)Artwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Acknowledge Evangelicalism's Racial Blindspot (#14) Mar 25, 2019

This one is a doozy! And it's both here and in the Depolarize! Podcast feed because it's just that good. Sociologist Michael O. Emerson breaks down his and Christian Smith's argument as to why White Evangelical Christians have such a bad track record on racial issues, summarized in their co-authored "Divided by Faith." This is the best explanation that I have ever heard or read regarding this phenomenon.“Divided by Faith”: https://smile.amazon.com/Divided-Faith-Evangelical-Religion-Problem/dp/0195147073/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=divided+by+faith&qid=1553212642&s=gateway&sr=8-1Pass the Mic Podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/pass-the-mic/id1435500798?mt=2Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Change Your Mind: Christlikeness (Reese Roper) (#13) Mar 18, 2019

Reese Roper is the singer of Christian ska-punk band Five Iron Frenzy. We hear how his understanding of what it means to be Christlike has changed -- or more accurately, has been nuanced -- over the years, from his many years touring in an 8-piece band to his more recent work managing a nursing home in Virginia.http://www.fiveironfrenzy.com/Imitation of Christ ($4 copies): https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/de-imitatione-christi-by-thomas--kempis/256916/#isbn=038502861X&idiq=3793782Five Iron Frenzy songs played in this episode: "Far, Far Away""Dandelions""Anthem""Fahrenheit"Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comEdited by Josh GilbertArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Consider Quakerism & Panentheism (God = Universe + Something) (#12) Mar 11, 2019

Our guest today is Dr. Philip Clayton (Claremont School of Theology), giving us his personal faith story from a secular household, through conservative Evangelicalism, and ultimately into Quakerism. We also talk about Panentheism, for which he is a major Christian advocate. Most of the nerdy stuff occurs after the ad break, starting around 54:00, so feel free to skip that stuff if you are less into the true nerdery."how i found GOD in everyone and everywhere" (great essay collection including Phil's story): https://smile.amazon.com/How-Found-God-Everyone-Everywhere/dp/193968188X/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=how+i+found+god+in+everywhere&qid=1552328138&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnullhttp://philipclayton.net/Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Resist the Mob (on the Left and Right) (#11) Mar 04, 2019

(This episode is appearing on both the You Have Permission and Depolarize! Podcast feeds.) How do we know that we aren't caught up in a "mob mentality" on social, political, or theological issues? Can universities be places where we teach young people to think critically? Can an openly gay woman and her conservative "marriage-is-between-one-man-and-one-woman" sister stay close friends? The answer to the last one is yes: Dr. Elizabeth Corey (Baylor University, First Things Magazine) and her sister Mary wrote a joint op-ed in the Atlantic in 2015 proving as much (Elizabeth is the conservative one). Dr. Corey helps Dan break down why things have gotten so mob-like, and what we can do to stay out of it.Elizabeth and Mary’s Essay: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/i-choose-at-once-to-love-my-sister-and-disagree-with-her-on-gay-marriage/392279/Other writings by Elizabeth: https://www.baylor.edu/great_texts/index.php?id=100039The Coddling of American Mind: https://smile.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897/ref=sr_1_1?crid=24RMCD9777FMY&keywords=coddling+american+mind&qid=1551469414&s=gateway&sprefix=coddling+ameri%2Caps%2C227&sr=8-1How to Think: A Survival Guide for a World at Odds: https://smile.amazon.com/How-Think-Survival-Guide-World/dp/0451499603/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=how+to+think&qid=1551469424&s=gateway&sr=8-2Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Be Gay Affirming (#10) Feb 25, 2019

This is a tricky one, especially for those who have a genuine desire to take the Bible seriously. The argument for inclusion that J. R. Daniel Kirk presents, however, is one that I find convincing, and it is the best one of the many that I have read or heard (including by Matthew Vines, Gene Robinson, and others). Richard Hay's compassionate argument against affirmation is also presented. Many podcasts on this topic tend to focus on the emotional aspect of the issue, on the increased risk of suicide among queer teens, etc. I think those have their place, but for many Christians, we simply NEED a good argument about what to do with this stubborn text -- the Bible -- that really does seem to stand against homosexual activity. Daniel presents such an argument.

Find an open & affirming church: gaychurch.org

Margaret Farley 60 Minutes clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASG5kii-rI

James Brownson’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Gender-Sexuality-Reframing-Relationships/dp/0802868630https://twitter.com/jrdkirk

Seth Roberts playlist: https://open.spotify.com/user/dankoch/playlist/43QDpk1CQ098K2PpFcFVUy?si=BDa2luwVTC-GwdJpnXg85Q

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To Think Seriously About (Biblical) Patriarchy (#9) Feb 18, 2019

Does the Bible teach a soft, "kind" version of patriarchy, or was patriarchy the unquestioned cultural backdrop of the Biblical text? Does God proscribe a loving patriarchal system, or is God against it? What does God call his daughters to be and do in the world? Author Carolyn Custis James joins Dan to talk through her work in this area, which has massive implications for the Egalitarian vs. Complementarian debate.https://carolyncustisjames.com/Seth Roberts playlist: https://open.spotify.com/user/dankoch/playlist/43QDpk1CQ098K2PpFcFVUy?si=BDa2luwVTC-GwdJpnXg85QJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Be Theologically Progressive (#8) Feb 11, 2019

This week (partly since I will be out of town next weekend) we are getting a doozy of an episode with Dr. Kyle Roberts (Dean of United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities) about progressive Christianity. What is it? Can we get a 30,000 ft view of what it looks like to be in this world? Can a progressive Christian still affirm the Trinity, Christ’s resurrection, and more? How might a progressive Christian think about atonement, Biblical inerrancy, the meaning of salvation, sexual inclusion? Kyle is here to help us out, and my friend Ben Keeney is also here to help, playing the role of a low-grade skeptic of this particular understanding of Christianity.Kyle’s Book “A Complicated Pregnancy”: https://smile.amazon.com/Complicated-Pregnancy-Whether-Virgin-Matters/dp/1506406246/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=kyle+roberts&qid=1549857844&s=gateway&sr=8-1Kyle’s co-written Matthew commentary: https://smile.amazon.com/Matthew-Two-Horizons-Testament-Commentary/dp/0802825664/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=kyle+roberts&qid=1549857870&s=gateway&sr=8-2A good progressive Christian podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/homebrewed-christianity-podcast/id276269040?mt=2BC Con, Dallas, Feb 15-17: badchristiancon.comJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Change Your Mind: Healing Prayer (Thomas Jay Oord) (#7) Feb 04, 2019

The first in an ongoing occasional "to change your mind" series. Thomas Jay Oord is one of the leading theologians in the world of Open & Relational Theology (which includes Open Theism, Process Theology and more), and his beliefs about God's healing, and whether or not we should pray for healing, have changed multiple times throughout his life.Reconstruct episode with Tom: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/thomas-oord-the-uncontrolling-love-of-god-s01e06/id1230794548?i=1000385677181&mt=2Open & Relational Reading Group with Tom & Tripp Fuller: http://openandrelationaltheology.com/"God Can't": https://smile.amazon.com/God-Cant-Believe-after-Tragedy/dp/1948609126/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549081254&sr=8-1&keywords=thomas+jay+oord"The Uncontrolling Love of God": The Uncontrolling Love of God: An Open and Relational Account of ProvidenceBC Con, Dallas, Feb 15-17: badchristiancon.comJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEmail Dan: youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.comEpisode edited by Scott CangemiArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Consider *ALL* the Atonement Theories (#6) Jan 28, 2019

*How exactly* does Christ's death and resurrection make people right with God? Author and journalist Bonnie Kristian walks Dan through 5 of the most popular and historic answers to that question. Many of us (especially Baptist/Calvinist/Reformed Christians) have been told there is only one such Atonement theory -- Penal Substitution -- but that isn't the case. Bonnie and Dan discuss Christus Victor, Satisfaction Theory, Moral Exemplar, Penal Substitution, and Scapegoat Theory.Concentric Circles Image: https://stuarthoughton.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/greg-boyd-concentric-circles.png"A Flexible Faith" (on sale): https://smile.amazon.com/Flexible-Faith-Rethinking-Means-Follow/dp/1478992093/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548661564&sr=8-1&keywords=a+flexible+faithOpen Relational Reading Group - http://openandrelationaltheology.com/BadChristian Con, February 15-17 in Dallas - badchristiancon.comDiscussion Questions:- What theory of the atonement is most familiar to you? Which one did your Sunday school teachers tell you?- Which do you find most appealing and why? Which do you find most convincing and why? (If those aren’t the same, why?)- How would you explain to someone totally unfamiliar with Christianity how Jesus is dying means that we can be saved?- Which theory makes the most sense in our current culture?Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Wonder If "Unreached Peoples" Should Be Reached (the John Chau Incident) (#5) Jan 21, 2019

John Chau was a 26 year old American missionary who managed to get himself smuggled to North Sentinel Island, an island in the Bay of Bengal, between India and Mayanmar, home of somewhere between 20 and 200 members of a completely unreached people group. He was killed back in November, by the islanders' spears thrown from a distance. His story is not unique in the history of Christian missions, but it brings important questions back to the surface of Christian worldwide dialogue. Today's guests are Calvary Chapel pastor Andy Hirschman and Dr. David Leong, missiologist and author at Seattle Pacific University.Dreher blog post: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/death-of-a-missionary-john-allen-chau/Ruth Graham post: https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/12/john-allen-chau-missionary-death-christian-north-sentinel-island.htmlDavid Leong: https://spu.edu/academics/seattle-pacific-seminary/seminary-faculty/leong-davidBadchristiancon.comJoin the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochYHP Patron-only FB group: https://tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98Website: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by http://sprungle.co/

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To Reject Predestination (An Alternative to TULIP) (#4) Jan 14, 2019

Many Christians have been taught that in order to truly submit to God's sovereignty and God's word, it is necessary to believe that God predetermines who will go to Heaven, and who will to Hell, before they are born. Dr. Don Thorsen (Azusa Pacific University) argues that this is a false dichotomy, and that in fact, most Christians over time have not held the doctrine of predestination, commonly known in Calvinist circles by it's acrostic "TULIP". Don argues that most Christians actually believe something closer to his alternate acrostic: ACURA.T - Total depravityU - Unconditional electionL - Limited atonementI - Irresistible graceP - Perseverance of the saintsA - All are sinfulC - Conditional electionU - Unlimited atonementR - Resistible graceA - Assurance of salvationCalvin vs. Wesley: https://www.amazon.com/Calvin-vs-Wesley-Bringing-Practice/dp/1426743351Everything you Know About Evangelicals...: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080107097X/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i7Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochWebsite: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co

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To Think Theologically About Aliens (Seriously) (#3) Jan 14, 2019

Astrophysicists discover new planets almost daily; might there be intelligent life on one of these planets? Even if not, the number of planets that must exist universe-wide is probably in the billions, or higher. Given God's creativity, it seems plausible, even likely, that there are other species somewhere in the universe who can communicate with their Creator. What consequences does this have for Christian theology? Two main areas are explored: the Trinity (specifically the Incarnation), and people in other religious traditions (on Earth). Guests: astrophysicist and minister David Wilkinson, theologian and philosopher Keith Ward.David: https://www.dur.ac.uk/theology.religion/staff/profile/?id=2006Keith: https://www.keithward.org.uk/Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: patreon.com/dankochWebsite: youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: dankochwords.comEdited by Chris Keene & Scott CangemiArtwork by sprungle.co

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To Accept Theistic Evolution (#2) Jan 14, 2019

Many Christians are erroneously taught that either 1) Darwinian Evolution is true or 2) the Bible / the Gospel is true, but not both. In fact, thousands of respected scientists are committed Christians, and thousands more are leaving their churches due to perceived conflicts between science and Christianity, especially in Evangelical Protestant circles. In this episode, we hear from Amy, an Evangelical who is skeptical of some aspects of Darwinian theory, and we hear Adrian Wyard's story, how he went from devout young-earth creationist evangelist to accepting theistic evolution (and a whole lot of evidence and arguments along the way).

Biologos.org

Counterbalance.org

The Language of God: https://www.amazon.com/Language-God-Scientist-Presents-Evidence/dp/1416542744/ref=asc_df_1416542744/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312115051380&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14652014232710692716&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033333&hvtargid=pla-433853721827&psc=1

Finding Darwin's God: https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Darwins-God-Scientists-Evolution/dp/0061233501/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1547254356&sr=1-2&keywords=finding+darwin%27s+god

BARNA research: https://www.barna.com/research/six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church/

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To Believe Some Non-Christians Are Saved (#1) Jan 14, 2019

Many great evangelists, theologians, and Christian thinkers over the millennia have believed that God will save many people who do not confess Christ while they are alive, including Billy Graham, C.S. Lewis, D. L. Moody, Athanasius, Thomas Aquinas, and many more. You don't HAVE to believe that God will save non-Christians in the end, but you certainly have permission to believe it; in fact, you'd be in good company. Guests: C.S. Lewis scholar Michael Ward, theologian and minister Rick Steele (Seattle Pacific Seminary).Michael's book: https://www.amazon.com/Planet-Narnia-Seven-Heavens-Imagination/dp/019973870XRick's Faculty page: https://spu.edu/academics/seattle-pacific-seminary/seminary-faculty/steele-richard"Prayer: A History": https://www.amazon.com/Prayer-History-Carol-Zaleski/dp/0618773606Join the Patreon for bonus episodes every month: http://patreon.com/dankochWebsite: http://youhavepermissionpod.comJoin Dan's email list: http://dankochwords.comArtwork by sprungle.co

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Introducing "You Have Permission" Dec 28, 2018

Welcome to You Have Permission, a brand new podcast from Dan Koch (Reconstruct, Depolarize!). So many of us have been given bad answers to good and difficult questions -- questions about God, suffering, fate, prayer, evangelism, and more. You have permission to take both Christianity and the modern world very seriously. This introduction mini-episode features some of Dan's story, as well as clips from upcoming episodes.

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