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At The Leaders’ Table, we shine a light on how leaders rise to the moment.
In each episode, civic changemakers share the decisions they’ve wrestled with, the values that guide them, and the practical tools that help them lead through challenge and change.
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Dr. Penny Lee Schwinn is currently a Senior Advisor at Emerson Collective, an organization that invests in entrepreneurs and innovators tackling complex challenges in education, immigration, the environment, and beyond.
Previously she served as Tennessee’s Commissioner of Education from 2019-2023 where she led the restructuring of the state’s $9 billion school funding system. Prior to this live taping, Penny was the recipient of the 2026 Courageous Leader Award from LEE for her intentional focus on changing outcomes for kids regardless of the political context.
In this episode, she discusses how she grounds all her decisions in the responsibility for her kids and the children of others. She also shares how she “dances it out” to prepare for tough meetings and recentering joy. Penny shares how many different people and groups have tried to define her, but she defines herself as a mom of three, educator, and someone who is always student and child focused. An inspiring conversation about leadership driven by a singular focus on providing every child what they deserve.
Amanda Renteria leads Code for America as CEO, guided by a deep belief in public institutions and the promise of opportunity. She has led the organization in modernizing safety-net systems across states, launched innovative resources to combat child poverty, and streamlined services that impact millions of Americans.
Raised in California’s Central Valley by her parents — including her father, who immigrated from Mexico —Amanda traces her drive to the teachers, coaches, and family members who opened doors she did not know existed. Her first role in public service was as a teacher — an experience that grounded her belief that the government should expand opportunity. As the first Latina chief of staff in Senate history, she sees civic leadership as a responsibility — one that demands authenticity, curiosity, and a commitment to bridging gaps between communities and government.
A conversation about public service, institutional trust, and how bringing a small-town lens to national leadership keeps you learning and open to new ideas.
Carmita Semaan, the founder and CEO of Surge Institute, an organization that develops and elevates leaders of color, began her career as a chemical engineer before earning her MBA and stepping into corporate leadership. Across her career, she has kept social impact front and center — organizing colleagues, investing in local communities, and challenging systems to do better.
In this episode, Carmita recounts a pivotal moment early in her career when she spoke out against racism at her company, choosing integrity over silence and ultimately walking away from the organization. She shares how growing up in Birmingham, Alabama, and the influence of her resilient mother and uncle shaped her values and continues to inform the bold, fearless leadership she embodies today.
An honest, powerful conversation about courage, conviction, and what it means to lead decisively when the stakes are real.
Andy Rotherham, Co-Founder and Senior Partner at Bellwether, has built a career in public service driven by a deep belief in expanding opportunity for those too often left behind. Growing up in Reston, Virginia, he saw how even communities that appear integrated can mask significant inequities — particularly in education, where disparities compound and shape outcomes over the course of a lifetime.
In this episode, Andy reflects on the importance of looking beyond ideology and asking a simple question: Is a policy good, or just partisan? He shares why leaders are stronger when they cultivate diverse circles, resist echo chambers, and stay curious: whether that means learning the banjo, serving as an EMT, or studying the double-edged impact of AI.
A thoughtful conversation on leadership, lifelong learning, and unlocking the untapped potential in communities too often overlooked.
Michele Jawando, CEO of Omidyar Network, leads with both head and heart — grounded in analytical rigor, driven by collaboration, and deeply committed to people. A lawyer, former Hill staffer, and lifelong sci-fi fan, she brings curiosity and optimism into every space she leads — whether she’s thinking about the transformative power of technology or investing in the people and culture around her.
In this episode, Michele reflects on the mentors who shaped her career and the throughlines that connect her career across policy, advocacy, and philanthropy. She discusses technology’s potential to shape our future, emerging questions around AI, and how she applies lessons from public service — which she calls a sacred profession — to leading a major philanthropic organization.
A thoughtful conversation on creativity, values, connection, and what it means to be a builder of ideas, people, and place.
Darryl serves as President of the Charter School Growth Fund, where he leads investments supporting a national community of over 100 high-performing charter school networks. As the founder of the Emerging CMO Fund, he also supports and invests in charter school leaders of color.
In this episode, Darryl reflects on what failure taught him while leading a charter school in Chicago — and why growth comes from making mistakes rather than avoiding them. He shares why joy belongs in classrooms and boardrooms alike, and how his family shapes his leadership style and keeps him focused on what matters most.
A candid conversation on resilience, leadership, and finding purpose by leaning into unexpected career turns and nonlinear paths.
Recorded live at the inaugural Courageous Leadership Conference, this special episode of The Leaders’ Table features a candid conversation with Texas State Board of Education member Staci Childs.
Interviewed by Brittany Packnett Cunningham, Staci reflects on her journey into public leadership and the real decisions she faces while serving students and communities across Texas. She shares how values, identity, and lived experience shape her leadership, and what it takes to stay grounded while navigating high-stakes systems.
This conversation explores what authentic leadership looks like in practice, especially when the work is challenging and deeply personal.
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What does it look like to lead with both courage and clarity?
In this episode, Brittany Packnett Cunningham shares how her upbringing and lived experience shaped her commitment to truth-telling, community building, and purposeful leadership. She unpacks the role of cultural identity, integrity, and bravery in building movements that last.
Through personal stories and hard-earned insights, Brittany makes the case for leading with conviction, even when the stakes are high.
Rebecca Noecker was the first woman elected to represent Ward Two in Saint Paul. From a young age, she knew she wanted to lead and challenge the status quo.
In this episode, she talks about how relationships, values, and deep listening help her navigate complex topics, including issuing a public response to the Israel and Hamas conflict. Rebecca shares why community engagement matters and how thoughtful policymaking can build trust in a divided landscape.
A timely conversation about leading with care, even when decisions are hard.
Journalist and activist Isabel Gonzalez Whitaker brings a deep sense of purpose to everything she does. As a first-generation Cuban American, her mother’s immigrant journey shaped her belief in the power of community and the potential of underrepresented voices.
Now serving as Associate Vice President at Moms Clean Air Force and Director of EcoMadres, Isabel shares how resilience, advocacy, and cultural identity fuel her work. She encourages listeners to find their own lane of impact and reminds us that meaningful change takes patience, gratitude, and persistence.
She offers a powerful reflection on purpose-driven leadership and fighting for what matters most.
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